Re: [ZION] Starts with G "guests"

2003-11-15 Thread Lew Thomas
At 05:25 PM 11/14/2003, you wrote:

Tom Matkin wrote:
Sonnet 133 (Some children live for only just a while)
by Tom Matkin, March 30, 2002
Some children live for only just a while
Mere visitors not really part of us
Perhaps they've proved themselves without this trial
Not needing but a touch of all this fuss.
It wounds us when they get their final call
We grieve and fret and feel the hand of pain
Invested as we are in loving all
It hurts, but it's our duty to remain.
We know they meet with glory where they go
They lose no blessings from their shortened stay
And leave their touch of heaven's love below
To spark resolve to live a better way.
So one day when our earthly stay is done
Brief guests and us can once again be one.
Ditto

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Lew 

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Re: [ZION] Starts with G "guests"

2003-11-14 Thread John W. Redelfs
Tom Matkin wrote:
Sonnet 133 (Some children live for only just a while)
by Tom Matkin, March 30, 2002
Some children live for only just a while
Mere visitors not really part of us
Perhaps they've proved themselves without this trial
Not needing but a touch of all this fuss.
It wounds us when they get their final call
We grieve and fret and feel the hand of pain
Invested as we are in loving all
It hurts, but it's our duty to remain.
We know they meet with glory where they go
They lose no blessings from their shortened stay
And leave their touch of heaven's love below
To spark resolve to live a better way.
So one day when our earthly stay is done
Brief guests and us can once again be one.
This was truly beautiful, Tom.  Thanks.  --JWR

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Re: [ZION] Starts with G "Gap"

2003-11-13 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 01:24 AM 11/13/2003 +, Uncle Tom, the Gapper wrote:

Usually one is disturbed by widening gaps and happier about narrowing
gaps.  But sometimes it's the other way around.


Till has been ever mindful of the widening gap between those who choose 
good and those who choose evil.

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Re: [ZION] Starts with G "Gap"

2003-11-12 Thread John W. Redelfs
Don't forget the greed gap.  That is the difference between a man's 
physiological needs, and his psychological needs for a particular standard 
of living. --JWR

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RE: [ZION] Starts with G "Giving"

2003-11-06 Thread Ron Scott
You're giving spirit is, ah, catching.

> -Original Message-
> From: Tom Matkin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 10:48 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [ZION] Starts with G "Giving"
> 
> 
> This isn't the way I feel today, but it's a sentiment that I understand 
> about giving.
> 
> Sonnet 180 (I'm snuggled in a cotton batting bath)
> By Tom Matkin, June 6, 2002
> 
> I'm snuggled in a cotton batting bath
> My senses stuffed with wool and fire in one
> A victim of some tiny microbe's wrath
> My goose is more than cooked, it's overdone.
> I'm tippy, wonky, staggering and faint
> I'm cloudy, foggy, slow and overcast
> I hesitate to make this a complaint
> But now my eyes aren't focusing, they're glassed!
> I could go home and take a proper pill
> To put an end to notice of my pain
> But if I did then how could I fulfill
> My duty to extend this flu-like chain?
> 
> Tis better to be giving than to get
> And so I'll put some others in my debt.
> 
> Tom 
> 
> "I just pretend I'm a princess, and that I could summarily have her 
> executed at any time according to my own pleasure.  It gives me great 
> comfort!" (The Little Princess)
> 
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RE: [ZION] Starts with G "Green House Gas"

2003-11-05 Thread Ron Scott


> -Original Message-
> From: Tom Matkin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 12:14 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [ZION] Starts with G "Green House Gas"
>
>
>
> Ron Scott wrote:
> > But Bette Midler on ZION? Oy vey!The last time I saw
> > her live, she was strutting, singing and steaming before a crowd of
> > nearly-nekkid men at The Continental Baths in Manhattan. The things that
> > reporters have to endure to earn a living: sigh.
> >
>
> Was she cooing "You are the Wind Beneath my Feet...er... Wings?"  that
> would have been an endurance contest.

Nah, it was long before she turned to Muzak, years before she played Janice.
Her voice was strong, the words were bawdy, bluesy and torchy, and the
setting was decidedly edgy, even for Manhattan.  But, the fans loved
her...and so did I and I was wearing considerably more than a towell and
flip-flops. 

RBS

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RE: [ZION] Starts with G "Green House Gas"

2003-11-05 Thread Ron Scott


> -Original Message-
> From: Tom Matkin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:53 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [ZION] Starts with G "Green House Gas"
>
>
> Swans are Everything, Everything I Wish I Could Be
> by Tom Matkin, October 25, 2001
>
> I'll bet a day will come some time
> When swans will be considered prime
> When long necked birds will rule the roost
> And man will be in deep decline.
>
> With human influ'nce thus reduced
> Economies will get a boost
> And green house gasses pass along
> Except for what a swan's produced.
>
> And finally that true swan song
> That one so simple, yet too long
> About the wind beneath your wings
> Won't seem so obviously wrong.
>
> So every time Bette Midler sings
> About the shadow her wing brings
> I think of swans and gas and things
> I think of swans and gas and things.
>
> Tom


Interesting, moving. But Bette Midler on ZION? Oy vey!The last time I saw
her live, she was strutting, singing and steaming before a crowd of
nearly-nekkid men at The Continental Baths in Manhattan. The things that
reporters have to endure to earn a living: sigh.

RBS

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RE: [ZION] Starts with G "Green House Gas"

2003-11-05 Thread Tom Matkin

Ron Scott wrote:
> But Bette Midler on ZION? Oy vey!The last time I saw
> her live, she was strutting, singing and steaming before a crowd of
> nearly-nekkid men at The Continental Baths in Manhattan. The things that
> reporters have to endure to earn a living: sigh.
> 

Was she cooing "You are the Wind Beneath my Feet...er... Wings?"  that 
would have been an endurance contest.

Tom


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executed at any time according to my own pleasure.  It gives me great 
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RE: [ZION] Starts with G "Green House Gas"

2003-11-05 Thread Tom Matkin
Swans are Everything, Everything I Wish I Could Be
by Tom Matkin, October 25, 2001

I'll bet a day will come some time
When swans will be considered prime
When long necked birds will rule the roost 
And man will be in deep decline.

With human influ'nce thus reduced
Economies will get a boost
And green house gasses pass along
Except for what a swan's produced.

And finally that true swan song
That one so simple, yet too long
About the wind beneath your wings
Won't seem so obviously wrong.

So every time Bette Midler sings
About the shadow her wing brings
I think of swans and gas and things
I think of swans and gas and things.

Tom

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Re: [ZION] Starts with G "Grateful"

2003-11-04 Thread John W. Redelfs
Tom, you crack me up!  And I thought false churches were a problem.  Maybe 
the problem is all us monkeys here below.  --JWR

Tom Matkin wrote:

Top ten reasons why I'm grateful not to be working in New Delhi

10.Those pesky monsoons.

9.  Those pesky cows.

8.   What those pesky cows leave behind.

7.One word.  Curry.

6.Plodding elephants in the bus lane.

5.Plodding elephants in the commuter lane.

4.Plodding elephants in the bike paths.

3.Too far to travel to the Stake Centre.

2.I'm unaccustomed to the heat.

And the NO. 1 reason I'm grateful not to work in New Delhi:  One 
word.  Monkeys!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-3340136,00.html

Tom
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RE: [ZION] Starts With G "Gulf"

2003-11-02 Thread Tom Matkin
Natasha is still holding my Gossip post I see. For today I'll just 
dredge up an old poem that I wrote earlier this year.  It covers the 
Gulf subject quite well.

Sonnet 277 1 Nephi 15:28
By Tom Matkin March 28, 2003

Along each briny ocean beach and shore
There's straits and inlets, seas and sounds and bays
And also, everywhere, there's gulfs galore
They're quite the widespread geographic craze.

The Gulf of Mexico is one we know
The Gulf of Bothnia a rarer brand
And ev'ry map will almost surely show
A Gulf in Aden, Oman, and Thailand.

The Persian Gulf, just now, is really strong
The Gulf of Guinea never had a voice
But there's no greater gulf in word or song
Than that which comes from exercise of choice.

Between the saints of God and wicked ends:
The awful Gulf of Misery, my friends.

Tom

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RE: [ZION] Starts With G "Garden"

2003-11-01 Thread Tom Matkin
Yesterday I posted a little note on "Gossip" but somehow Natasha hasn't 
got it yet.  If it doesn't make the list by Monday I'll repost. 

Today G stands for Garden. I thought about this as I was leaving the 
temple this morning after doing 3 endowment sessions.  Come to think of 
it the morning was spent by the time I left the temple, so correct that 
to 'this afternoon'.

Anyway G stands for garden.  That wonderful place where if we will just 
put the right conditions into place the Lord will provide a miracle. In 
a garden you must prepare the soil, water it, fertilize it and protect 
it from infestations of weeds. (One of my favorite rhyming axioms; A man 
of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds.")  And a 
garden needs rest.  Mine is resting under two feet of snow just now. But 
in a few months, if I do my part the Lord will produce the great miracle 
of new life and beauty (I'm a flower man as much as a vegetable raiser. 
Another verse:  Mistress Mary, quite contrary, how does your garden 
grow?) How does your garden grow? If you put the conditions right, God 
will provide you a miracle of new life and beauty.

Each of us is a garden waiting to produce beautiful flowers, sweet fruit 
and wholesome food, if we will just put the conditions right. Storms and 
droughts and whirlwinds may set us back for a season, but over a 
lifetime a lot of great produce can come from any well kept garden... or 
from any well ordered life that allows God to direct it.

Tom


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Re: [ZION] Starts With G

2003-10-31 Thread George Cobabe
Well Tom, you say count and I say confirm, but either way I am happy to
still be speculating on that, rather than having a sure knowledge.  At your
suggestion, and after some thought, I have repeated the email I sent to the
other list for the edification, I hope, of these good list members.


Folks, I would like to take a bit of your time
to share the past few weeks with you.  I
would like you to know of the great blessing I have received.

First I am beyond OK, although at first it did not seem that I would be able
to say so in such a short time.  All of the tests and pathology reports came
back in the best possible language.  They could not have been better.  So
Hoo Ray!!!  Hoo Ray!!!  Hoo Ray for me

On Oct 8th I went in for a routine colonoscopy,  I had no symptoms and no
reason for any sort of fear.  Afterward the doctor told me how lucky I was,
that if I had not had the test then I likely would have developed Cancer
unknown, and would have been dead in a year.

On friday they tried to call me but were unable to reach me until I returned
the call on Monday Morning.  I was told that the 2cm polpyl that they had
taken out was Cancerous.  I do not understate it when I say I was a bit
scared.  Spent a bit of time as I worked that day with tears in my eyes as I
thought of all the horrible implications.

Monday I had a appt with my regular doctor and scheduled a visit with the
surgeon the next day.

***First significant event.  That night I was restless and unable to sleep
and found myself in prayer.  I will not relate the sacred and strong events
of that night as I hope to have many more similiar events.  I will tell you
that God bore witness to me that I was OK, He truly loved me and my family,
and that I had nothing to fear as it was not my time to go - even though I
expressed a willingness to do so.  I NEVER had a moment of concern after
that moment.

If nothing else had happened in regard to these events this night with my
Father in Heaven would have made all else worth it.  Can you understand what
I am saying?  To receive such a witness is worth any price.

Tuesday - saw the Surgeon and scheduled Surgery for Thursday mid day.

***Second significant event.  I had all my family gather at my home and we
told them what was going on with their Father.  I have five kids.  Three I
can brag about with the best of you.  They do everything right.  Two are a
bit of a challenge - and I look for opportunities to testify to them of what
is important to me.  Family, Church, Priesthood.  We had my two worthy sons
bless me and then had a family prayer.  My kids all organized themselve to
cover the children and allow the one couple to proceed with previous plans
in spite of Dad not being available.  Who was touched most, you ask?
 Guess who - you are right the two I want to witness to the most.

You see, once again, if nothing else had happened in regard to these events
save the influence I am able to have on my two problems, it would have been
worth it.

Can you see how I am blessed?

Cat Scan on Wednesday and Surgery on Thursday.  All goes well and recovery
is remarkable.  I went in healthy and did what I was told.  I heal quick.

***Third significant event.  Simple story - profound meanings.  As I was
lieing in bed healing in the hospital my wife was making phone calls doing
some Visiting Teaching follow up.  I must of moved or groaned or something.
She wondered if she was bothering me with the sound of the phone calls.  The
most profound feelings of love and appreciation for this woman came over me
and I realized how the exact opposite was true.  The sound of HER voice was
the healing influence I needed.  I have always loved my wife, but for that
moment I knew how important she really was to me,

Once again this event alone would have made the experience worth the trial.

Out of the hospital in four days instead of eight having never really having
pain and only a little discomfort.  I am doing fine although I do get tired
easy.

More than I had ever imagined before I know what is meant by being blessed
by our trials.  The trials and suffering, whether great or as in my case
very small, truly do bring the blessing of heaven.  I understand more that
ever how people say they would never give up the tough experience they have
had.

I love God, and more importantly I know He loves me.  What more could I ask
for???


Bless you all, I hope I have not rambled on incessantly.

Thanks for your concerns,

George


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Subject: Re: [ZION] Starts With G


> > Don't forget George while you are at it, Tom.  I hope that it will be in
> the
> > good column,
> >
> > George
>
> Of course!  G is for George. George the good. Or - Good Old George. Yes
> Jesus love you. You know that, and not just because the bible tells you
so.
> Hav

RE: [ZION] Starts With G

2003-10-31 Thread Tom Matkin
 
> At 02:50 PM 10/30/2003 -0700, Uncle Tom Presidente wrote:
> >Think of how many things that start with G need to be taught
(learned?).
> 
> 
> 
> how about galloping gruff gregarious goats?  gastric? grease? gangly?
> groovy? gravy? garters?  oops
> 
> Till

Or to put it another way:

Should gregarious galloping garters
Be considered by us just for starters?
Or should greasy gravy
Be our first potpourri
As we talk about "G" in John's Charters?

Tom

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Re: [ZION] Starts With G

2003-10-31 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 02:50 PM 10/30/2003 -0700, Uncle Tom Presidente wrote:
Think of how many things that start with G need to be taught (learned?).


how about galloping gruff gregarious goats?  gastric? grease? gangly? 
groovy? gravy? garters?  oops

Till

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Re: [ZION] Starts With G

2003-10-31 Thread Paul Osborne
Are you the one, I thought it was Marc Schindler but am likely mistaken. 
 I
am not so sure anyone but me would appreciate your referral.
 
George
===

Yep, it was me. Positive, for sure.

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Re: [ZION] Starts With G

2003-10-30 Thread Tom Matkin
> Don't forget George while you are at it, Tom.  I hope that it will be in
the
> good column,
>
> George

Of course!  G is for George. George the good. Or - Good Old George. Yes
Jesus love you. You know that, and not just because the bible tells you so.
Have you shared your recent experiences with this list George?  I was trying
so hard to be good and stay under the 5 post minimum on FAIR that I didn't
say there how wonderful it was to hear of your blessings. We know you are
anxious to get up there and count the degrees of glory and any sub kingdoms
for yourself, but it was great to find out that your inevitable has been put
off for a while anyway.

Tom

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Re: [ZION] Starts With G

2003-10-30 Thread George Cobabe
Are you the one, I thought it was Marc Schindler but am likely mistaken.   I
am not so sure anyone but me would appreciate your referral.

George

- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Osborne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [ZION] Starts With G


>
> On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:21:49 -0700 George Cobabe
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Don't forget George while you are at it, Tom.  I hope that it will be
> > in the
> > good column,
> >
> > George
>
> And, don't forget I'm the one that told you about the Zion list.
>
> :-))
>
> Paul O
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Re: [ZION] Starts With G

2003-10-30 Thread Paul Osborne

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:21:49 -0700 George Cobabe
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> Don't forget George while you are at it, Tom.  I hope that it will be 
> in the
> good column,
> 
> George

And, don't forget I'm the one that told you about the Zion list.

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Re: [ZION] Starts With G

2003-10-30 Thread John W. Redelfs
Tom Matkin wrote:
Think about gird, gathering, and gulf. Ah yes, G is where it's at. There's 
so much to talk about, and we haven't even considered the words that begin 
with "eh".
Er... which Sesame Street character are you?  --JWR

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Re: [ZION] Starts With G

2003-10-30 Thread George Cobabe
Don't forget George while you are at it, Tom.  I hope that it will be in the
good column,

George

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom Matkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: [ZION] Starts With G


> Think of how many things that start with G need to be taught (learned?).
>
> There is so much to learn about "God", just as much to know about "good"
> or "goodness". What about "gratitude", "grace", "guilt", "gentleness",
> or "glory".
>
> And there are things like "gambling" and "gossip". I have something to
> say about them.  What is wrong with gambling?  I know it's trying to get
> something for nothing, at least that's what we are told.  But what's so
> wrong with that? Besides it isn't strictly true.  The gambler does offer
> something, actually usually a lot more than he gets.  And he certainly
> accepts risk. I guess one drawback to gambling is that it seems to be
> addictive and win or lose it leads to other undesirable things.  The
> winner is proud, for absolutely no good reason.  The worst sort of
> pride.  The loser is distraught, for very good reason. The worst sort of
> grief. And the loser sometimes tries to cover his or her losses by
> stealing or other sad things. You read about that in the paper everyday.
> "Bookkeeper at Laundry Indicted for Fraud - Stole over $100,000 to try
> to make up for Vegas binges". But really the worst thing about gambling
> is that it steals your hope from where it belongs.  People who buy
> lottery tickets or bet the horses or the football pools do it because
> they are hoping it will make them happy.  They place their hope on that
> winning number to make this life less miserable. This robs them of the
> initiative to do the real things that bring happiness, like living the
> gospel with exactness and drawing nearer to God. Our hope should be in
> Jesus Christ, and Him crucified, not in Friday's 6-49 draw. Where your
> (hope for) treasure is, there will your heart be also. You can't serve
> God and the Lottery You get the idea. That's why I think gambling is
> a pernicious evil, it presents a destructive counterfeit method of
> finding relief from the troubles of this world.
>
> What else is wrong with gambling?
>
> I'll write about gossip another time.  Maybe later today. And gladness,
> grudges, guile, gospel, gifts, genealogy, guidance and gross.
>
> Nice to be back. Natasha kicked me off Zion on her own back near the end
> of that brouhaha with George and I could never find the list again. My
> version of Topica didn't even show Zion as a place. When Natasha
> banishes you she does it right. I did find George again but lost Jim.
> Jim stayed right here, right?
>
> Think about gird, gathering, and gulf. Ah yes, G is where it's at.
> There's so much to talk about, and we haven't even considered the words
> that begin with "eh".
>
> Tom
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