[Zope-dev] Re: ZClasses Maintenance and Upgrade

2007-04-18 Thread Max M
Jonathan skrev: - Original Message - From: Christopher Lozinski Well I have finally reached the stage where I am pushing the limits of ZClasses and would love an upgrade. Guess I need to do it myself. I know this is a serious PITA... I just spent 3 months replacing ZClasses with

[Zope-dev] Re: Zope Installers for Windows: ready for testing

2007-04-18 Thread Chris Withers
Sidnei da Silva wrote: It's that time again... fire up your VMs and do some testing. Let's get those up on the website ASAP! http://files.enfoldsystems.com/Zope-2.10.3-Final-7151.exe http://files.enfoldsystems.com/Zope-2.9.7-Final-7151.exe Cursory testing suggests they're both fine. If

[Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 5 OK

2007-04-18 Thread Zope Tests Summarizer
Summary of messages to the zope-tests list. Period Tue Apr 17 12:00:00 2007 UTC to Wed Apr 18 12:00:00 2007 UTC. There were 5 messages: 5 from Zope Unit Tests. Tests passed OK --- Subject: OK : Zope-2.7 Python-2.3.6 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Tue Apr 17 20:54:06 EDT 2007

[Zope-dev] Re: Zope Installers for Windows: ready for testing

2007-04-18 Thread Sidnei da Silva
Cursory testing suggests they're both fine. If no-one's found any problems, I'll put them up some time tomorrow... Thank you Chris! -- Sidnei da Silva Enfold Systemshttp://enfoldsystems.com Fax +1 832 201 8856 Office +1 713 942 2377 Ext 214

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: ZClasses Maintenance and Upgrade

2007-04-18 Thread Paul Winkler
On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 11:52:03AM +0200, Max M wrote: I wrote this 5 message years ago: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope/2002-May/115427.html I've just added a link to that message on this wiki page: http://wiki.zope.org/zope2/ZClassesAreEvil Max (or anybody), feel free to merge the text

[Zope-dev] Killer App for ZClasses

2007-04-18 Thread Christopher Lozinski
Thank you very much for all the advice, and particularly for the list of problems with ZClasses. I had been thinking of jumping in and fixing some of those things. I am not quite sure where to start.What do I work on to benefit ZClasses, while taking care of my immediate business needs?

Re: [Zope-dev] Killer App for ZClasses

2007-04-18 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 18. April 2007 12:32:24 -0700 Christopher Lozinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a much richer deeper long-term vision of where this is going, but the longest road begins with a single step. I think you should stop dreaming and face the reality. There is almost nobody interested of

[Zope-dev] Re: Killer App for ZClasses

2007-04-18 Thread Martin Aspeli
Christopher Lozinski wrote: I thought, hey, I bet a million people need such a simple web app. Let us make it really easy to implement craigslist or better. Let me go ahead and create a ZClass product, and go ahead and distribute it. Lots of people would use it. Or at least enough to

[Zope-dev] Re: egg issues: adding namespace boilerplate Products / patching testrunner

2007-04-18 Thread whit
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously whit wrote: 2 items: 1. how does everyone feel about adding the following boilerplate to all occurences of Products/__init__.py to enable the easy creation of Product eggs? Aren't we asking people to move to using python

[Zope-dev] Why are ZClasses Dead

2007-04-18 Thread Christopher Lozinski
I keep getting these negative email messages. Here is the most recent example. I think you should stop dreaming and face the reality. There is almost nobody interested of the developer community in ZClasses.. I have no idea what your goal is with your ongoing ZClasses postings..you're on

[Zope-dev] Re: Why are ZClasses Dead

2007-04-18 Thread Martin Aspeli
Christopher Lozinski wrote: 1. There is no demand for a through the web development environment that works. I just don't believe that. There is demand for TTW *customisation*, as we have in CMF/Plone with the portal_skins mechanism, for example. Developing entire systems through a web

[Zope-dev] Re: Why are ZClasses Dead

2007-04-18 Thread Ross Patterson
Christopher Lozinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I keep getting these negative email messages. Here is the most recent example. I think you should stop dreaming and face the reality. There is almost nobody interested of the developer community in ZClasses.. I have no idea what your goal

Re: [Zope-dev] Why are ZClasses Dead

2007-04-18 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 18. April 2007 16:31:29 -0700 Christopher Lozinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3. There is no one to maintain ZClasses Again not true, I need to do it for my own interests. I am at the point where I want to upgrade ZClasses You're telling us that for years...submit code, human

Re: [Zope-dev] Why are ZClasses Dead

2007-04-18 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 18. April 2007 16:31:29 -0700 Christopher Lozinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AND HERE IS THE REAL ISSUE I THINK 7. Because of the way Zope is written, you just cannot do ZClasses right. You would have to change zope, and break lots of things. I think that is the core reason that some

[Zope-dev] ZClass Wiki Upgrade

2007-04-18 Thread Christopher Lozinski
Thanks for all the great feedback. I particularly liked someone's idea of upgrading the ZClass Wiki, so that there is a good source of information at 1 easily accessible location. I think it is very important as a community to operate on a shared blackboard. Not quite as good as writing

[Zope-dev] Re: Killer App for ZClasses

2007-04-18 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Christopher Lozinski wrote: I need a very simple app. Just 1 ZClass, an invoice object. Not even subitems on the invoice. I want to create these ZClasses, I want a table of these ZClasses, I want to be able to say which role gets to create these objects, which role gets to see which fields,

[Zope-dev] Re: Killer App for ZClasses

2007-04-18 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Christopher Lozinski wrote: I need a very simple app. Just 1 ZClass, an invoice object. Not even subitems on the invoice. I want to create these ZClasses, I want a table of these ZClasses, I want to be able to say which role gets to create these objects,

Re: [Zope-PAS] easy way to list all ldap users from script??

2007-04-18 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 16 Apr 2007, at 13:56, robert rottermann wrote: Hi there, I have installed LDAPUserfolder 2.8beta and LDAPMultiPlugun for Plone 2.5.0 Is there an easy way to list all users from a script. something like we have in the ZMI user tab of the

Re: [Zope-PAS] PlonePAS using SQL get AttributeError

2007-04-18 Thread James J Myers
I found the SQLPASPlugin on the Plone site or the collective - not sure which. I pretty much rewrote it to get it to do what I wanted. I got no help from this list or anywhere else. PlonePAS provides a PropertyProvider set of interfaces for setting/getting properties from an external source.

Re: [Zope-PAS] PlonePAS using SQL get AttributeError

2007-04-18 Thread Ben Mason
I agree, I think the way PlonePAS replaces the root acl_users is very bad. I hope this gets addressed. Surely there is no need for it to do that. Ben On 19/4/07 02:01, James J Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found the SQLPASPlugin on the Plone site or the collective - not sure which. I

Re: [Zope-PAS] PlonePAS using SQL get AttributeError

2007-04-18 Thread Kapil Thangavelu
my understanding is that part of the reason this was done, was laziness, on the part of the integrators, who didn't want to deal with the issues of having non pas users from the root acl browsing a plone site, and conditionally dealing with those the users within the plone code. i agree

Re: [Zope-PAS] PlonePAS using SQL get AttributeError

2007-04-18 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On 4/18/07, Kapil Thangavelu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my understanding is that part of the reason this was done, was laziness, on the part of the integrators, who didn't want to deal with the issues of having non pas users from the root acl browsing a plone site, and conditionally dealing with

[Zope-PAS] Re: PlonePAS using SQL get AttributeError

2007-04-18 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sidnei da Silva wrote: On 4/18/07, Kapil Thangavelu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my understanding is that part of the reason this was done, was laziness, on the part of the integrators, who didn't want to deal with the issues of having non pas users

Re: [ZWeb] [AboutThisSite] new wiki.zope.org server

2007-04-18 Thread Christian Theune
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Re: [Zope] Windows binary releases

2007-04-18 Thread Chris Withers
Doyon, Jean-Francois wrote: Go here: http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/swpackage_releases 2.10.2 has a windows build ... Looks like 2.10.3 doesn't have one yet though. It's here: http://files.enfoldsystems.com/Zope-2.10.3-Final-7151.exe It's not official yet, so if you want to test,