Re: [Zope] Frustrated with Python and Frameworks. Zope, Grok, Django, CherryPy

2007-11-27 Thread Roman Susi
Rene B wrote: I'm frustrated trying to select a python web framework. I’ve researched quite a few. CherryPy,Karrigell,Zope 2,3,Grok, Gluon,Django,Mod_Python. I’ve also Perhaps web.py can interest you then? Its not very much of framework (you actually write everything in Python, even makin

Re: [Zope] Frustrated with Python and Frameworks. Zope, Grok, , Django, CherryPy

2007-11-27 Thread Martijn Jacobs
We could also consider putting them in some kind of collective-like SVN repository so that people can make changes when they need to. I think this is a great idea as it works with the Plone collective this way as well. -- Martijn Jacobs Four Digits, Internet Solutions a: Willemsplein 15-

Re: [Zope] Frustrated with Python and Frameworks. Zope, Grok, , Django, CherryPy

2007-11-27 Thread Martijn Jacobs
Hi Martijn and others. I don't see anything I like better, but have a nagging worry that Zope, and especially Zope 2, may become increasingly neglected as time goes by. I have to say +1 on this one. We still use Zope 2 for most of our projects, as the software is stable, mature and if you

[Zope] Re: Frustrated with Python and Frameworks. Zope, Grok, , Django, CherryPy

2007-11-27 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Aaron Maupin wrote: > Rene B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I'm beginning to think there's nothing out there for a newbie python >> programmer like myself. I'm a Network Admin that likes programming but >> doesn't have the time to get really pr

[Zope] Re: Frustrated with Python and Frameworks. Zope, Grok, Django, CherryPy

2007-11-27 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chetan Kumar wrote: > On 11/27/07, Rene B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Nobody seems to be adding to zope 2" because the gurus have learnt > some lessons from Zope2 and are hence developing something new from > scratch (Zope 3). Most of the recent ad

Re: [Zope] Frustrated with Python and Frameworks. Zope, Grok, Django, CherryPy

2007-11-27 Thread Garry Saddington
On Tuesday 27 November 2007 17:19, Martijn Faassen wrote: > > We need to identify some targets and see what resources we have to > accomplish them. Of course this shouldn't degenerate into a long > wishlist discussion, but let's see what kind of steps can be taken. > I came to Zope as a newbie abo

[Zope] Re: Escaping special characters in ZCTextIndex.QueryParser?

2007-11-27 Thread Robert Casties
Dieter Maurer wrote: > Please stay on the list! Readded... I was reading reading zope-dev through Gmane's NNTP-gateway so I think my answer stayed on that list. (I posted a similar question last week on zope, did you mean that one?) > Robert Casties wrote at 2007-11-27 09:47 +0100: >> ... >> Is t

[Zope] Re: Escaping special characters in ZCTextIndex.QueryParser?

2007-11-27 Thread Dieter Maurer
Please stay on the list! Readded... Robert Casties wrote at 2007-11-27 09:47 +0100: > ... >Is the parser for the search query also pluggable? I will have another >look at TextIndexNG. You should look at "TextIndexNG3". There, you can specify lots of things either globally through ZCML, in the in

Re: [Zope] Frustrated with Python and Frameworks. Zope, Grok, , Django, CherryPy

2007-11-27 Thread Aaron Maupin
Rene B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm beginning to think there's nothing out there for a newbie python programmer like myself. I'm a Network Admin that likes programming but doesn't have the time to get really proficient at it. ... Out of all the ones I've researched I like Zope 2 the b

Re: [Zope] Frustrated with Python and Frameworks. Zope, Grok, Django, CherryPy

2007-11-27 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, On Nov 27, 2007 5:14 PM, Gregory Dudek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have used Zope 2 too extensively to give it up. I use it for > several sites. > I don't see anything I like better, but have a nagging worry that > Zope, and especially Zope 2, may become increasingly neglected as > time go

Re: [Zope] Frustrated with Python and Frameworks. Zope, Grok, Django, CherryPy

2007-11-27 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, On Nov 27, 2007 4:47 PM, Jaroslav Lukesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Very nice words > > I have near complette mirror of the old.zope.org from 2004 or 2005 if > someone wants (and rememner that old site and good where are many products > that you couldnot find at web now). There are many

Re: [Zope] Frustrated with Python and Frameworks. Zope, Grok, Django, CherryPy

2007-11-27 Thread Gregory Dudek
I've been using Zope 2 since 2000 and like it a lot, but I think your concerns are very valid. I don't fully understand why the Zope 2 (and Zope 3) community seems so much less vibrant than it used to be, but am aware of several well-known possible factors, in particular the Zope2 vs Zope3

Re: [Zope] Frustrated with Python and Frameworks. Zope, Grok, Django, CherryPy

2007-11-27 Thread Jaroslav Lukesh
Very nice words I have near complette mirror of the old.zope.org from 2004 or 2005 if someone wants (and rememner that old site and good where are many products that you couldnot find at web now). There are many fantastic products which I use at near each site. So I will try to put it onli

Re: [Zope] Frustrated with Python and Frameworks. Zope, Grok, Django, CherryPy

2007-11-27 Thread Tom Von Lahndorff
Zope2 + DTML + Python and you're good to go. I know a bunch of developers/designers, including myself that use this combo all the time. I currently use it for projects at a Fortune 500 company. The docs suck but once you get in the groove you can bang out solid, stable, good looking, stan

Re: [Zope] Frustrated with Python and Frameworks. Zope, Grok, Django, CherryPy

2007-11-27 Thread Chetan Kumar
The gentleman here likes DTML (I hope it is zope-DTML). Looks like he is equipped (with his limited time) to whip up something to please his boss !!! Rest will follow as it did for most of us who learnt on the way as required. It will be good if he gets things working using what he has already lea

Re: [Zope] Frustrated with Python and Frameworks. Zope, Grok, Django, CherryPy

2007-11-27 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hi there, On Nov 27, 2007 4:14 AM, Chetan Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > Stick to Zope 2 with DTML if that serves your purpose. It will serve you well. > I think your problem is solved !!! I don't think it so simple. He was looking for a vibrant community that would support his needs.

Re: [Zope] Frustrated with Python and Frameworks. Zope, Grok, Django, CherryPy

2007-11-27 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, On Nov 27, 2007 2:18 AM, Rene B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm frustrated trying to select a python web framework. I've researched quite > a > few. CherryPy,Karrigell,Zope 2,3,Grok, Gluon,Django,Mod_Python. I've also > looked at templating languages like Spyce, and Cheetah. I can see how

Re: [Zope] Frustrated with Python and Frameworks. Zope, Grok, Django, CherryPy

2007-11-27 Thread knitti
On 11/27/07, Rene B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm afraid to learn Zope 2 because I have no idea what direction it's going > in. Oh come on. Anyone 'afraid' to learn something has lost already. Either you don't want to learn it, or you do want. If you like it, use it. Making simple Web applicat

Re: [Zope] Frustrated with Python and Frameworks. Zope, Grok, Django, CherryPy

2007-11-27 Thread Eric Bréhault
Hello, If you do not have time to program, and you want to build dynamic web sites, maybe you could use Zope2 with Plone, and just use the existing Plone products. Ok, you think "Plone is tooo much", but it should cover 99% of any basic dynamic web site features. Regards, Eric BREHAULT On Nov 2