Jimmie Houchin wrote:
I would like to echo what Dieter wrote here.
We need to encourage people who write products or other extensions to
Zope in writing cleanly, clearly defined extensions which can be used in
a black box manner.
Sure, but we also need to encourage people to study each
Oleg Broytmann wrote:
Where do you intend on going? If there was something better out there
you'd be humping its leg already.
Thanks goodness, I am not using Zope on production servers. I use Zope
only to experiments and understand the technology. Looked good until
yesterday.
This is
Martijn Pieters wrote:
[snip]
Now, please, can we stop this whole silly argument? Can't we talk about old
terminal types or something, instead?
That invocation only works on comp.lang.python. :)
Regards,
Martijn
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Paul Everitt wrote:
[snip]
As the person that made the decision, I can at least testify that no
ulterior motives were behind it. Still, Zope is a community thing, and
we here at DC need our heads bopped on a regular basis, lest we ever
forget it.
Consider our heads bopped. :^)
And this
Martijn Faassen wrote:
The addition of the Perl stuff will be bad if the Zope source will be
hacked up in various places in order to support this. I can be _good_ if
this means a focus on providing clean interfaces first, and a more
componentized architecture. I.e. there's a focus on
Paul Everitt wrote:
Martijn Faassen wrote:
The addition of the Perl stuff will be bad if the Zope source will be
hacked up in various places in order to support this. I can be _good_ if
this means a focus on providing clean interfaces first, and a more
componentized architecture. I.e.
Actually, I'd like to see Zope interface with "more" languages (Java, C++
etc.) There are a number of areas that Python performs poorly (I'd prefer
to write encryption algorithms in C, personally) and there are areas where
Python performs very well (OO modelling). I think if people are
Andrew Kenneth Milton wrote:
[...]
The sad fact of the matter is that there is more concern for people's
personal welfare, than that of the project as a whole. When in fact, what
is good for Zope is good for the community.
Zope is open source, if you don't like Perl, and it morally
On 25 May 2000, Roman Milner wrote:
Here is why I'm bummed about this. Like other people who have posted
- after years of coding perl for money, I have vowed never to do it
again. (I find that it produces encourages unmaintainable code.)
Also, I think my main marketable skill now is Zope.
+[ Oleg Broytmann ]-
|
| So, I believe this is enough reason for me to start considering other
| web technologies for me, and my company.
|
|I am considering dismounting the Zope bandwagon, too :( It was good
| techonology, but what will
On Sat, 27 May 2000, Andrew Kenneth Milton wrote:
| So, I believe this is enough reason for me to start considering other
| web technologies for me, and my company.
|
|I am considering dismounting the Zope bandwagon, too :( It was good
| techonology, but what will come?
Where do
Ken Manheimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On 25 May 2000, Roman Milner wrote:
Well, my point is that I don't think you will be able to ignore it.
Your boss will give you a product to maintain that includes someone
else's perl code - sooner or later.
My boss isn't going to suddenly tell
Evan Gibson writes:
What happens when we have 4 or 5 different types of methods (perl, php,
python, c, pascal, whatever...) and through multiple people working on a
site or a product you suddenly have them all used and have to suddenly
upkeep something you have no idea about because
Zopistas,
Paul Everitt wrote:
Digital Creations, creators of the Open Source Zope application server,
announced today that it is teaming with ActiveState, a leading provider
of
Internet programming software, to make Perl a scripting language for
Zope.
[...]
--Paul
Paul Everitt
- Original Message -
From: "Roman Milner" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 1:48 PM
Subject: [Zope] Re: [Zope-Annce] ANN: Perl For Zope - why I'm bummed
Here is why I'm bummed about this. Like other people who have posted
- after years
"KD" == Kevin Dangoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
KD I think Zope offers a ton of features that I wouldn't want to
KD give up. (And I've been watching what the other servers out
KD there are doing, and I still appreciate the power given by
KD Zope.)
I don't question at all that
Kevin Dangoor wrote:
I haven't heard of anyone standing up and saying "I'm not going to use
Linux, because people might write tools in perl [or awk, or C, or lisp, or
sh, or yacc or postscript, or ...]" Perhaps that's a better way to look at
Zope... not as a python web application, but as
Heiko Stoermer writes:
Zopistas,
Paul Everitt wrote:
Digital Creations, creators of the Open Source Zope application server,
announced today that it is teaming with ActiveState, a leading provider
of
Internet programming software, to make Perl a scripting language for
On 25 May 2000, Roman Milner wrote:
Well, my point is that I don't think you will be able to ignore it.
Your boss will give you a product to maintain that includes someone
else's perl code - sooner or later. Since it is "part of zope" and you
clearly "know zope" you should be able to
"KM" == Ken Manheimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
KM I have some misgivings with this outlook. It sounds like
KM people who seek job security by having expertise with a system
KM that closes out unfamiliar options - whether the options are
KM better or worse.
I'm not in any way
Actually, I'd like to see Zope interface with "more" languages (Java, C++
etc.) There are a number of areas that Python performs poorly (I'd prefer
to write encryption algorithms in C, personally) and there are areas where
Python performs very well (OO modelling). I think if people are upset
On 25 May 2000, Roman Milner wrote:
"KM" == Ken Manheimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
KM I have some misgivings with this outlook. It sounds like
KM people who seek job security by having expertise with a system
KM that closes out unfamiliar options - whether the options are
Roman Milner wrote:
For zope, you will just have to
"know zope" - employers will see "zope" and a language just like
parents see "understanding computers" as knowing how to fix their windows
boxes :)
I feel like I "know zope", but I don't have a deep understanding of
python, or a
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