Re: [Zope-CMF] Re: CMF collector on Launchpad?
--On 13. August 2007 10:49:36 +0200 Hanno Schlichting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A common user database between the Plone and CMF bug trackers is a bigger benefit than the common user base between CMF and Zope I think. But maybe our two communities still don't overlap enough for that idea to work out ;) -1 Andreas pgpih559rVnZj.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
[Zope-CMF] Re: CMF collector on Launchpad?
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 01:49:36 -0700, Hanno Schlichting
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'll dare to speak out the unthinkable and as an alternative option
suggest to move the CMF bug tracker to a trac instance hosted on
plone.org.
As another piece of info (I'm not +/-1, as I rarely use the CMF collector,
and it works for me), we have a script that is capable of doing the
CMFCollector -> Trac migration, if that should be on the table in any
variation. Our Bug #1 still exists in Trac:
http://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/1
("Opened 5 years ago" indeed — quite a bit before Trac existed :)
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Re: [Zope-CMF] Re: CMF collector on Launchpad?
Previously Charlie Clark wrote: > Andrew Milton has at least done a wrapper so you can run Trac on a > Zope site. But having spent some time on Trac I would be against > using it in its current form for a product as complex as the CMF. It > has an appalling data model which is simply not suited to any form of > dependency. I'ld counter that Plone is a lot more complex than CMF and Trac is working great for it. > I think there's merit in having some form of connection Zope -> CMF - > > Plone for reporting bugs in which case I would be in favour of > either modifying Collector or Launchpad for our needs. The only system which currently would support that is having all of those in LaunchPad as far as I know. I don't think Trac's multi-tracker support is up to that yet. And that is not going to happen since Plone is quite happy with Trac and has no interest in moving to another system at the moment. Wichert. -- Wichert Akkerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>It is simple to make things. http://www.wiggy.net/ It is hard to make things simple. ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
[Zope-CMF] CMF Tests: 11 OK
Summary of messages to the cmf-tests list. Period Sun Aug 12 12:00:00 2007 UTC to Mon Aug 13 12:00:00 2007 UTC. There were 11 messages: 11 from CMF Unit Tests. Tests passed OK --- Subject: OK : CMF-1.5 Zope-2.7 Python-2.3.6 : Linux From: CMF Unit Tests Date: Sun Aug 12 21:29:00 EDT 2007 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/cmf-tests/2007-August/005954.html Subject: OK : CMF-1.5 Zope-2.8 Python-2.3.6 : Linux From: CMF Unit Tests Date: Sun Aug 12 21:30:33 EDT 2007 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/cmf-tests/2007-August/005955.html Subject: OK : CMF-1.5 Zope-2.9 Python-2.4.4 : Linux From: CMF Unit Tests Date: Sun Aug 12 21:32:04 EDT 2007 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/cmf-tests/2007-August/005956.html Subject: OK : CMF-1.6 Zope-2.8 Python-2.3.6 : Linux From: CMF Unit Tests Date: Sun Aug 12 21:33:36 EDT 2007 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/cmf-tests/2007-August/005957.html Subject: OK : CMF-1.6 Zope-2.9 Python-2.4.4 : Linux From: CMF Unit Tests Date: Sun Aug 12 21:35:07 EDT 2007 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/cmf-tests/2007-August/005958.html Subject: OK : CMF-2.0 Zope-2.9 Python-2.4.4 : Linux From: CMF Unit Tests Date: Sun Aug 12 21:36:38 EDT 2007 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/cmf-tests/2007-August/005959.html Subject: OK : CMF-2.0 Zope-2.10 Python-2.4.4 : Linux From: CMF Unit Tests Date: Sun Aug 12 21:38:09 EDT 2007 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/cmf-tests/2007-August/005960.html Subject: OK : CMF-2.1 Zope-2.10 Python-2.4.4 : Linux From: CMF Unit Tests Date: Sun Aug 12 21:39:40 EDT 2007 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/cmf-tests/2007-August/005961.html Subject: OK : CMF-2.1 Zope-trunk Python-2.4.4 : Linux From: CMF Unit Tests Date: Sun Aug 12 21:41:11 EDT 2007 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/cmf-tests/2007-August/005962.html Subject: OK : CMF-trunk Zope-2.10 Python-2.4.4 : Linux From: CMF Unit Tests Date: Sun Aug 12 21:42:42 EDT 2007 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/cmf-tests/2007-August/005963.html Subject: OK : CMF-trunk Zope-trunk Python-2.4.4 : Linux From: CMF Unit Tests Date: Sun Aug 12 21:44:14 EDT 2007 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/cmf-tests/2007-August/005964.html ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
Re: [Zope-CMF] Re: CMF collector on Launchpad?
Am 13.08.2007 um 10:49 schrieb Hanno Schlichting: I'm +0.5 on moving away from anything on zope.org. I find the collector UI and speed suboptimal to work with. Launchpad provides a reasonable good bug tracker from my experience (I mostly reported bugs against the launchpad translation system itself in the past ;)). Personally I find trac a lot more efficient to work with, though. But it's UI is definitely geared towards developers (which is in the end the prime target group for CMF). Trac certainly *looks* good and has done to highlight usability deficiences of other bug trackers such as Bugzilla and Collector. I'll dare to speak out the unthinkable and as an alternative option suggest to move the CMF bug tracker to a trac instance hosted on plone.org. Andrew Milton has at least done a wrapper so you can run Trac on a Zope site. But having spent some time on Trac I would be against using it in its current form for a product as complex as the CMF. It has an appalling data model which is simply not suited to any form of dependency. A common user database between the Plone and CMF bug trackers is a bigger benefit than the common user base between CMF and Zope I think. But maybe our two communities still don't overlap enough for that idea to work out ;) I think there's merit in having some form of connection Zope -> CMF - > Plone for reporting bugs in which case I would be in favour of either modifying Collector or Launchpad for our needs. I've not posted or dealt with a great many bugs but have not found the form of the Collector to be a big problem. It's certainly easier to use than Bugzilla. What is often a greater issue is actually tackling bugs that do get submitted. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Helmholtzstr. 20 Düsseldorf D- 40215 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 GSM: +49-178-782-6226 ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
[Zope-CMF] Re: CMF collector on Launchpad?
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: > Andreas Jung is in the process of getting the regular Zope 2 issue > collector moved onto Launchpad. He said the Launchpad guys could move > other collectors like the CMF collector at the same time. The question > is, do we want this? > > My vote is "-0.5", mostly because I never used Launchpad. One drawback > that was mentioned is the fact that bugtracker emails do not contain the > full bug history. From other bugtracker experience I know that's very > annoying. > > Andreas mentioned some arguments for the move, like having the same user > base on all those collectors, the ability to move bugs between them, and > a much better user interface than the sometimes odd collector UI. > > What's the consensus? I'm +0.5 on moving away from anything on zope.org. I find the collector UI and speed suboptimal to work with. Launchpad provides a reasonable good bug tracker from my experience (I mostly reported bugs against the launchpad translation system itself in the past ;)). Personally I find trac a lot more efficient to work with, though. But it's UI is definitely geared towards developers (which is in the end the prime target group for CMF). I'll dare to speak out the unthinkable and as an alternative option suggest to move the CMF bug tracker to a trac instance hosted on plone.org. A common user database between the Plone and CMF bug trackers is a bigger benefit than the common user base between CMF and Zope I think. But maybe our two communities still don't overlap enough for that idea to work out ;) Hanno ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
Re: [Zope-CMF] CMF collector on Launchpad?
Previously Jens Vagelpohl wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Andreas Jung is in the process of getting the regular Zope 2 issue > collector moved onto Launchpad. He said the Launchpad guys could move > other collectors like the CMF collector at the same time. The > question is, do we want this? > > My vote is "-0.5", mostly because I never used Launchpad. One > drawback that was mentioned is the fact that bugtracker emails do not > contain the full bug history. From other bugtracker experience I know > that's very annoying. > > Andreas mentioned some arguments for the move, like having the same > user base on all those collectors, the ability to move bugs between > them, and a much better user interface than the sometimes odd > collector UI. > > What's the consensus? I'm -0.5. The current collector works and the mentions about lack of context in launchpad are worrying. Wichert. -- Wichert Akkerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>It is simple to make things. http://www.wiggy.net/ It is hard to make things simple. ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
[Zope-CMF] CMF Collector: Open Issues
The following supporters have open issues assigned to them in this collector (http://www.zope.org/Collectors/CMF). Assigned and Open tseaver - "CMF needs View-based TypeInformation", [Accepted] http://www.zope.org/Collectors/CMF/437 yuppie - "purge_old in runAllImportSteps not working", [Accepted] http://www.zope.org/Collectors/CMF/455 Pending / Deferred Issues - "workflow notify success should be after reindex", [Deferred] http://www.zope.org/Collectors/CMF/389 Pending / Deferred Features - "CMFTopic Does Not Cache", [Deferred] http://www.zope.org/Collectors/CMF/295 - "iCal support for CMFCalendar", [Pending] http://www.zope.org/Collectors/CMF/487 ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
Re: [Zope-CMF] CMF collector on Launchpad?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13 Aug 2007, at 09:17, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: My vote is "-0.5", mostly because I never used Launchpad. One drawback that was mentioned is the fact that bugtracker emails do not contain the full bug history. From other bugtracker experience I know that's very annoying. I'll have to amend this. My vote is now "-1". As it turns out, their site doesn't even display in the browser I use most (OmniWeb). jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iD8DBQFGwAm9RAx5nvEhZLIRAujfAJ9dGUMIuznFYkTlqf8mfpP3D6s3mgCeKHL8 EFLHQzmbjZ3eXxfFaGwAmYo= =3mVJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
[Zope-CMF] Re: CMF collector on Launchpad?
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: Andreas Jung is in the process of getting the regular Zope 2 issue collector moved onto Launchpad. He said the Launchpad guys could move other collectors like the CMF collector at the same time. The question is, do we want this? My vote is "-0.5", mostly because I never used Launchpad. One drawback that was mentioned is the fact that bugtracker emails do not contain the full bug history. From other bugtracker experience I know that's very annoying. Andreas mentioned some arguments for the move, like having the same user base on all those collectors, the ability to move bugs between them, and a much better user interface than the sometimes odd collector UI. In general I'm +1. I agree about the full history in the email, though. Perhaps we can get it at some point if we bug the Launchpad people enough. As far as the user interface is concerned, I actually find the Launchpad one a bit cumbersome at times, too. It's much speedier than our CMFCollector on zope.org, though. -- http://worldcookery.com -- Professional Zope documentation and training ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
[Zope-CMF] Re: CMF collector on Launchpad?
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andreas Jung is in the process of getting the regular Zope 2 issue collector moved onto Launchpad. He said the Launchpad guys could move other collectors like the CMF collector at the same time. The question is, do we want this? My vote is "-0.5", mostly because I never used Launchpad. One drawback that was mentioned is the fact that bugtracker emails do not contain the full bug history. From other bugtracker experience I know that's very annoying. Andreas mentioned some arguments for the move, like having the same user base on all those collectors, the ability to move bugs between them, and a much better user interface than the sometimes odd collector UI. What's the consensus? +1 to move. I find the CMFCollector instances on zope.org incredibly cumbersome and unintuitive to use. The "downside" is that you'd probably get more people reporting bugs because they are able to figure out how. ;-) Martin -- Acquisition is a jealous mistress ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
[Zope-CMF] CMF collector on Launchpad?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andreas Jung is in the process of getting the regular Zope 2 issue collector moved onto Launchpad. He said the Launchpad guys could move other collectors like the CMF collector at the same time. The question is, do we want this? My vote is "-0.5", mostly because I never used Launchpad. One drawback that was mentioned is the fact that bugtracker emails do not contain the full bug history. From other bugtracker experience I know that's very annoying. Andreas mentioned some arguments for the move, like having the same user base on all those collectors, the ability to move bugs between them, and a much better user interface than the sometimes odd collector UI. What's the consensus? jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iD8DBQFGwAWZRAx5nvEhZLIRAsn9AKCgi0zLhvBrkUEYZ8lwM/ireSQzcwCdG90l q/VIoce1d3mtw6gB5a6BbCg= =WQrO -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
