Re: [Zope-CMF] Move CMF collector to Launchpad (redux)
Previously Charlie Clark wrote: > > Am 29.10.2007 um 21:17 schrieb Wichert Akkerman: > > >>It seems that the Launchpad database is not separated by product. I > >>was just checking the bugs fixed in the latest relase of Zope and > >>#2339 refers to something completely different related to Ubuntu. I > >>would have expected bugs from unrelated projects to kept separate. > > > >The fact that they are not is useful: it allows you to move a > >bugreport > >from one product to another. > > For any migration the loss of the bug id is pretty major. As for > related projects: yes, I can see the benefit of moving bugs between > say CMF, Zope 2 and Zope 3 but in this case it the bug I was looking > at was something to do with watchin DivX films using Xine on Ubuntu. > As this is completely unrelated, and something I am not interested in > the slightest, I would consider this to be a major drawback. FWIW, I don't see that as a drawback. The old URL with the old bug number will continue to work: it will redirect you to the new instance of the bug report on launchpad. Wichert. -- Wichert Akkerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>It is simple to make things. http://www.wiggy.net/ It is hard to make things simple. ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
Re: [Zope-CMF] Move CMF collector to Launchpad (redux)
Am 29.10.2007 um 21:17 schrieb Wichert Akkerman: It seems that the Launchpad database is not separated by product. I was just checking the bugs fixed in the latest relase of Zope and #2339 refers to something completely different related to Ubuntu. I would have expected bugs from unrelated projects to kept separate. The fact that they are not is useful: it allows you to move a bugreport from one product to another. For any migration the loss of the bug id is pretty major. As for related projects: yes, I can see the benefit of moving bugs between say CMF, Zope 2 and Zope 3 but in this case it the bug I was looking at was something to do with watchin DivX films using Xine on Ubuntu. As this is completely unrelated, and something I am not interested in the slightest, I would consider this to be a major drawback. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Helmholtzstr. 20 Düsseldorf D- 40215 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 GSM: +49-178-782-6226 ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
Re: [Zope-CMF] Move CMF collector to Launchpad (redux)
And, you can add 'aliases' to bugs too, though I haven't actually used this feature myself. You can for example name issue '#2339' as the 'funky-shiny-issue' or whatever you want, I believe. -- Sidnei da Silva Enfold Systemshttp://enfoldsystems.com Fax +1 832 201 8856 Office +1 713 942 2377 Ext 214 ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
Re: [Zope-CMF] Move CMF collector to Launchpad (redux)
Previously Charlie Clark wrote: > Am 27.10.2007 um 00:02 schrieb Charlie Clark: > >In conclusion: I'm still abstaining because, although the arguments > >for the "automated" migration are strong, we are under no time > >pressure and might like to see some features added before any > >migration. > > It seems that the Launchpad database is not separated by product. I > was just checking the bugs fixed in the latest relase of Zope and > #2339 refers to something completely different related to Ubuntu. I > would have expected bugs from unrelated projects to kept separate. The fact that they are not is useful: it allows you to move a bugreport from one product to another. Wichert. -- Wichert Akkerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>It is simple to make things. http://www.wiggy.net/ It is hard to make things simple. ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
Re: [Zope-CMF] Move CMF collector to Launchpad (redux)
Am 27.10.2007 um 00:02 schrieb Charlie Clark: In conclusion: I'm still abstaining because, although the arguments for the "automated" migration are strong, we are under no time pressure and might like to see some features added before any migration. It seems that the Launchpad database is not separated by product. I was just checking the bugs fixed in the latest relase of Zope and #2339 refers to something completely different related to Ubuntu. I would have expected bugs from unrelated projects to kept separate. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Helmholtzstr. 20 Düsseldorf D- 40215 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 GSM: +49-178-782-6226 ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
Re: [Zope-CMF] Move CMF collector to Launchpad (redux)
Andreas Jung wrote at 2007-10-27 21:01 +0200: > ... >> I still have a similar issue: in my browser (Mozilla 1.5), launchpad pages >> are unreadable: almost the complete page is covered by red signs of >> the form --\. >> > >You can solve this by upgrading to a more recent browser. But, I probably will not use Launchpad instead -- Dieter ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
Re: [Zope-CMF] Move CMF collector to Launchpad (redux)
--On 27. Oktober 2007 20:58:26 +0200 Dieter Maurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jens Vagelpohl wrote at 2007-10-25 12:37 +0200: ... I personally had one remaining issue, namely the fact that my main browser (OmniWeb) could not display Launchpad at all due to a CSS bug in OW itself. I still have a similar issue: in my browser (Mozilla 1.5), launchpad pages are unreadable: almost the complete page is covered by red signs of the form --\. You can solve this by upgrading to a more recent browser. -aj pgpZTu82oXDtc.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
Re: [Zope-CMF] Move CMF collector to Launchpad (redux)
Jens Vagelpohl wrote at 2007-10-25 12:37 +0200: > ... >I personally had one remaining issue, namely the fact that my main >browser (OmniWeb) could not display Launchpad at all due to a CSS bug >in OW itself. I still have a similar issue: in my browser (Mozilla 1.5), launchpad pages are unreadable: almost the complete page is covered by red signs of the form --\. -- Dieter ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
Re: [Zope-CMF] Move CMF collector to Launchpad (redux)
Am 27.10.2007 um 01:52 schrieb Jens Vagelpohl: OW is a well-supported browser that has been around longer than OS X itself, and it uses the very same WebKit underpinnings Safari uses, just different versions. Its ad filtering is superior to any other browser on my system, and it has a lot of features other browsers either don't have at all or are slow to deliver. However, that's completely off-topic here. No "my browser is bigger than yours", please. It was a tongue-in-cheek remark: while whether a particular browser is supported or not sounds like a surprising criterium for the choice of bug tracker but given how much we work with our browsers a completely reasonable one. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Helmholtzstr. 20 Düsseldorf D- 40215 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 GSM: +49-178-782-6226 ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
Re: [Zope-CMF] Move CMF collector to Launchpad (redux)
On 10/25/07, Jens Vagelpohl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can we have a show of hands, so to speak? +1 Keeping this collector after moving the others succesfully is just weird. :) -- Lennart Regebro: Zope and Plone consulting. http://www.colliberty.com/ +33 661 58 14 64 ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
Re: [Zope-CMF] Move CMF collector to Launchpad (redux)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 27 Oct 2007, at 00:02, Charlie Clark wrote: 0) Jens - get yerself a better browser! ;-) FFS Omniweb :-D OTOH I also complain bitterly when one thing does not work with my favourite tool. Eventually I grew up and swapped NetPositive fer Opera ! :-P hm, the footer doesn't work proply with Opera 9.5!!! OW is a well-supported browser that has been around longer than OS X itself, and it uses the very same WebKit underpinnings Safari uses, just different versions. Its ad filtering is superior to any other browser on my system, and it has a lot of features other browsers either don't have at all or are slow to deliver. However, that's completely off-topic here. No "my browser is bigger than yours", please. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iD8DBQFHIn29RAx5nvEhZLIRAsvWAJ9DJv0Dwk3aNL+gRdXmS3MAk4NYJQCgnMFo 61U9fENHxIpnSs1UJwcx7sw= =PKyt -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
Re: [Zope-CMF] Move CMF collector to Launchpad (redux)
Am 25.10.2007 um 12:37 schrieb Jens Vagelpohl: Can we have a show of hands, so to speak? Given my minimal contribution so far I will abstain. However, before any "vote" is taken I think it is important to discuss the issues. OTOH imagine how elections would work if we were required to provide justifications for our votes! 0) Jens - get yerself a better browser! ;-) FFS Omniweb :-D OTOH I also complain bitterly when one thing does not work with my favourite tool. Eventually I grew up and swapped NetPositive fer Opera ! :-P hm, the footer doesn't work proply with Opera 9.5!!! 1) I like the Canonical team: Steve Alexander is top and Gustavo Niemeyer has come up with a very reasonable ORM for Launchpad. 2) Data protection: hosting on launchpad.net might raise data protection issues for existing zope.org users. 3) I'm not particularly attached to the Zope collector but the UI for Launchpad isn't brilliant either. Trac's UI is lovely but its data model is totally borked. I'm planning to take a look at Roundup but the argument for consolidating Zope + CMF bugs on a single system is extremely persuasive. 4) It's great when someone else does the work for you and this should be underestimated. 5) E-mail integration: this has to work properly and should include reply by e-mail and reflect user preferences for whole or incremental history. In conclusion: I'm still abstaining because, although the arguments for the "automated" migration are strong, we are under no time pressure and might like to see some features added before any migration. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Helmholtzstr. 20 Düsseldorf D- 40215 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 GSM: +49-178-782-6226 ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
Re: [Zope-CMF] Move CMF collector to Launchpad (redux)
+1 On 25. Okt 2007, at 12:37, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: Can we have a show of hands, so to speak? -- Anything that, in happening, causes something else to happen, causes something else to happen. --Douglas Adams ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
Re: [Zope-CMF] Move CMF collector to Launchpad (redux)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 26 Oct 2007, at 10:56, Wichert Akkerman wrote: I agree that sending the full history is not very useful and can be very painful. The minimum context I would like to have is the description of the bugreport. If that's included I'm +1 on moving. Currently the only Launchpad email that I have been getting are about a CSS/rendering issue that prevent the site from being shown in OmniWeb prior to 5.6, those mails were rather sparse: = Landed in RF 5098. ** Changed in: launchpad Status: Confirmed => Fix Committed - -- Launchpad doesn't display in the omniweb browser https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/132154 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. == Basically, the subject line and the bottom of the message body show the issue title, the description is not included. I'll ask Steve about that. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iD8DBQFHIbG3RAx5nvEhZLIRAgM0AKCnLsK1i54FV/JnBAj3hueJTtnvNgCaAtoB PYgxj1EEvRwAr5LFVD4EBH4= =5C9V -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
Re: [Zope-CMF] Move CMF collector to Launchpad (redux)
Previously Jens Vagelpohl wrote: > On 25 Oct 2007, at 12:40, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > >I remember one of the popular objections was that the launchpad mails > >did not contain as much context as the current collector emails. Has > >that changed? > > I've been going back and forth with Steve about that yesterday. > Apparently it's *not* available right now, and they don't want a > naive implementation that sends out the whole history, like the > current collector does, because many of their instances have bug > histories a lot longer than those we are used to. Right now the > discussion is stalled at my suggestion to make the full-context email > a configurable item. I agree that sending the full history is not very useful and can be very painful. The minimum context I would like to have is the description of the bugreport. If that's included I'm +1 on moving. Wichert. -- Wichert Akkerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>It is simple to make things. http://www.wiggy.net/ It is hard to make things simple. ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
Re: [Zope-CMF] Move CMF collector to Launchpad (redux)
--On 25. Oktober 2007 12:40:28 +0200 Wichert Akkerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Previously Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi guys, Now that the Zope and Zope3 collectors have been migrated successfully onto Launchpad, and there seems to be a good routine in place to preserve history and ensure automatic redirects, I wanted to bring up the question again. Should we move the CMF collector to Launchpad? I personally had one remaining issue, namely the fact that my main browser (OmniWeb) could not display Launchpad at all due to a CSS bug in OW itself. All that has been fixed, and the Launchpad team has been very cooperative and responsive. So my own vote at this point is +1: - one less thing to maintain ourselves - apparently there's a new zope.org push, and not having to deal with collectors will make life easier for the people involved - it will be easier to create relationships between Zope and CMF bug reports (I am making an assumption here, haven't tried it) Can we have a show of hands, so to speak? I remember one of the popular objections was that the launchpad mails did not contain as much context as the current collector emails. Has that changed? No, it has not changed right now. I think it should not be a big issue right now. For prompt followups you usually don't need the whole thread. For followups to older issues you still can click on the link..I think that's good enough [tm] right now and I am sure that the LP guys will add the feature at some time. They have been very cooperative in the past. Andreas pgpEB3Gl8ix6m.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
Re: [Zope-CMF] Move CMF collector to Launchpad (redux)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 25 Oct 2007, at 12:40, Wichert Akkerman wrote: I remember one of the popular objections was that the launchpad mails did not contain as much context as the current collector emails. Has that changed? I've been going back and forth with Steve about that yesterday. Apparently it's *not* available right now, and they don't want a naive implementation that sends out the whole history, like the current collector does, because many of their instances have bug histories a lot longer than those we are used to. Right now the discussion is stalled at my suggestion to make the full-context email a configurable item. My impression had been that this issue came up with the other collectors as well, but then I never saw any followup with results. I wonder what happened there, I thought it had been resolved somehow. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iD8DBQFHIaPKRAx5nvEhZLIRAtqpAKCAPQUjya2hdU8DisFeEaOigvGUuACggrqI ulFUrBTWCTu43u4A1FytwOk= =LT1J -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
Re: [Zope-CMF] Move CMF collector to Launchpad (redux)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 25 Oct 2007, at 12:40, Wichert Akkerman wrote: I remember one of the popular objections was that the launchpad mails did not contain as much context as the current collector emails. Has that changed? As far as I know this issue has been brought up in conjunction with the already-migrated collectors and is being worked on. I'm not 100% sure, though. I do know those guys are very responsive, so it's something that could be added if it's not there yet. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iD8DBQFHIHr8RAx5nvEhZLIRAkKYAJ46zmfnrG7sqOELh/GpWqkG+UXteQCfXDLR Dn79Ga9shqAAFaXZRjaUXeI= =XBTv -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
Re: [Zope-CMF] Move CMF collector to Launchpad (redux)
Previously Jens Vagelpohl wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi guys, > > Now that the Zope and Zope3 collectors have been migrated > successfully onto Launchpad, and there seems to be a good routine in > place to preserve history and ensure automatic redirects, I wanted to > bring up the question again. Should we move the CMF collector to > Launchpad? > > I personally had one remaining issue, namely the fact that my main > browser (OmniWeb) could not display Launchpad at all due to a CSS bug > in OW itself. All that has been fixed, and the Launchpad team has > been very cooperative and responsive. So my own vote at this point is > +1: > > - one less thing to maintain ourselves > > - apparently there's a new zope.org push, and not having to deal > with collectors will make life easier for the people involved > > - it will be easier to create relationships between Zope and CMF > bug reports (I am making an assumption here, haven't tried it) > > Can we have a show of hands, so to speak? I remember one of the popular objections was that the launchpad mails did not contain as much context as the current collector emails. Has that changed? Wichert. -- Wichert Akkerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>It is simple to make things. http://www.wiggy.net/ It is hard to make things simple. ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
[Zope-CMF] Move CMF collector to Launchpad (redux)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi guys, Now that the Zope and Zope3 collectors have been migrated successfully onto Launchpad, and there seems to be a good routine in place to preserve history and ensure automatic redirects, I wanted to bring up the question again. Should we move the CMF collector to Launchpad? I personally had one remaining issue, namely the fact that my main browser (OmniWeb) could not display Launchpad at all due to a CSS bug in OW itself. All that has been fixed, and the Launchpad team has been very cooperative and responsive. So my own vote at this point is +1: - one less thing to maintain ourselves - apparently there's a new zope.org push, and not having to deal with collectors will make life easier for the people involved - it will be easier to create relationships between Zope and CMF bug reports (I am making an assumption here, haven't tried it) Can we have a show of hands, so to speak? jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iD8DBQFHIHHgRAx5nvEhZLIRAit5AKCtR/BmfqrISdIRtyzsPNrQ9UQGDQCguDNq ai7BXRZaKB+eC6XZV8QqTfk= =YGc/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
