[Zope-dev] Re: Do we need a Packages directory in the new repository

2004-04-26 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Jim Fulton wrote: Historically, we've had Packages, Products, Packages3 and Products3 directories in the CBS repository. I wonder of we need these going forward. Perhaps we should just have top-level projct directories in the new subversion repository. +1 Philipp

[Zope-dev] Unicode in Zope 2 (ZMI, Archetypes, Plone, Formulator)

2004-04-26 Thread Bjorn Stabell
While we're all waiting for Zope 3 and Plone 3, I'd like to know what the standard practice way of using Unicode with Zope 2. In particular, we'd like to store all text as Unicode in the ZODB, and have Zope do the encoding/decoding as automatically and transparently as possible. We've been using

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Decouple Interface and zope.interface (Martijn was right)

2004-04-26 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jim Fulton wrote: [decouple interface implementation] *falls into a dead faint* *wakes up and starts bouncing around* *Loud cheering!* Awesome, thanks, Jim! A good start of my working week, too. *cough* *regains composure* *ahum* +1 Regards, Martijn

Re: [Zope-dev] Unicode in Zope 2 (ZMI, Archetypes, Plone, Formulator)

2004-04-26 Thread Toby Dickenson
On Monday 26 April 2004 09:27, Bjorn Stabell wrote: While we're all waiting for Zope 3 and Plone 3, I'd like to know what the standard practice way of using Unicode with Zope 2. In particular, we'd like to store all text as Unicode in the ZODB, and have Zope do the encoding/decoding as

[Zope-dev] Re: [Archetypes-devel] Unicode in Zope 2 (ZMI, Archetypes, Plone, Formulator)

2004-04-26 Thread David Convent
Hi Bjorn, I always believed that unicode and utf-8 were same encoding, but reading you let me think i was wrong. Can you tell me what the difference is between unicode and utf-8 ? Bjorn Stabell wrote: While we're all waiting for Zope 3 and Plone 3, I'd like to know what the standard practice

[Zope-dev] RE: [Archetypes-devel] Unicode in Zope 2 (ZMI, Archetypes, Plone, Formulator)

2004-04-26 Thread Bjorn Stabell
--On Montag, 26. April 2004 10:53 Uhr +0200 David Convent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always believed that unicode and utf-8 were same encoding, but reading you let me think i was wrong. Can you tell me what the difference is between unicode and utf-8 ? Andreas Jung wrote: Unicode is

Re: [Zope-dev] Do we need a Packages directory in the new repository

2004-04-26 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jim Fulton wrote: Historically, we've had Packages, Products, Packages3 and Products3 directories in the CBS repository. I wonder of we need these going forward. Perhaps we should just have top-level projct directories in the new subversion repository. I think having a distinction between Zope 2

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Decouple Interface and zope.interface (Martijn was right)

2004-04-26 Thread Terry Hancock
On Sunday 25 April 2004 06:57 am, Jim Fulton wrote: If we drop the requirement to make the interfaces interoperate (e.g. extend one another, or be used in the same declarations), then, with a small change that Martijn has suggested, we can use zope.interface in Zope 2 without any other

[Zope-dev] Source Code

2004-04-26 Thread Stephen Corey
Does anyone have the source code to the Addressit sample program found in the Zope Bible? If not all of it, I'm mainly looking for the Addressit.py file. Thanks! __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25ยข

RE: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-26 Thread Tim Peters
[Max M, tests a zip file of .pyd files in Zope3, on Windows] I finally got around to testing this, and it works *exactly* as I hoped. I downloaded Z3 from CVS, and Tim's zip file. I unpacked the zip file into the Z3 directory, and it started the first time. Yippee! That's what I expected,

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Policy for Collector-Issues 545 and 1217?

2004-04-26 Thread Jamie Heilman
Maik Jablonski wrote: Sounds cool... I'm not sure if it's easy as you describe, but I hope so...:) Basically you just grep for URL1 in all dtml files, anywhere you see dtml-URL1; or dtml-var URL1 html_quote and change it to dtml-var REQUEST.URL1 html_quote IIRC REQUEST is safe to use. The

[Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-26 Thread Tres Seaver
Martijn Faassen wrote: Dieter Maurer wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote at 2004-4-24 22:49 +0200: ... In practice right now the picture is 'Use all of the CMF or none of it'. No, not really... We use SkinsTool, ActionsTool and DCWorkflow a lot, MembershipTool sometimes and most other tools not

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-26 Thread Dieter Maurer
Tres Seaver wrote at 2004-4-26 11:46 -0400: Martijn Faassen wrote: Dieter Maurer wrote: ... We use SkinsTool, ActionsTool and DCWorkflow a lot, MembershipTool sometimes and most other tools not at all. Okay, point taken. :) How much do the tools listed interdepend on each other?

Re: [Zope-dev] Weird couldn't load state on Zope 2.6.2

2004-04-26 Thread Dieter Maurer
Chris Withers wrote at 2004-4-25 18:50 +0100: When I click on the Advanced tab of one of my ZSQL Methods, I see this: Traceback (innermost last): ... - __traceback_info__: XXdF Module ZODB.Connection, line 149, in __getitem__ - __traceback_info__: ('\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x08dF',

[Zope-dev] What do we want to bring from CVS to Subversion

2004-04-26 Thread Jim Fulton
I'm working on the cvs to subversion conversion for the ZODB, Zope 2, and Zope 3 projects. I'm currently doing the conversion of the full history with tags and branches. This is taking a long time and creating a huge repository, which is OK, but, do we really need that much history? I see 3

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] What do we want to bring from CVS to Subversion

2004-04-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mon, 2004-04-26 at 15:23, Jim Fulton wrote: 2. Convert the mainline history, but leave off the branches. Would this mean we'd lose the log messages too? If so -1 because often merge messages aren't very helpful. merged foo-bar-branch to head would suck if you couldn't at least see the log

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] What do we want to bring from CVS to Subversion

2004-04-26 Thread Fred Drake
On Monday 26 April 2004 03:23 pm, Jim Fulton wrote: 2. Convert the mainline history, but leave off the branches. This sounds good to me. -Fred -- Fred L. Drake, Jr. fred at zope.com PythonLabs at Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist -

[Zope-dev] Subversion repository layout

2004-04-26 Thread Jim Fulton
The standard subversion repository layout is by project: proj1 /trunk /branches /br1 /br2 ... /tags /tag1 /tag2 ... proj2 /trunk /branches /br1

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] What do we want to bring from CVS to Subversion

2004-04-26 Thread Jim Fulton
Barry Warsaw wrote: On Mon, 2004-04-26 at 15:23, Jim Fulton wrote: 2. Convert the mainline history, but leave off the branches. Would this mean we'd lose the log messages too? Yes, you'd lose the branch log messages. If so -1 because often merge messages aren't very helpful. merged

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] What do we want to bring from CVS to Subversion

2004-04-26 Thread Jim Fulton
Jim Fulton wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: On Mon, 2004-04-26 at 15:23, Jim Fulton wrote: 2. Convert the mainline history, but leave off the branches. Would this mean we'd lose the log messages too? Yes, you'd lose the branch log messages. If so -1 because often merge messages aren't very

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] What do we want to bring from CVS to Subversion

2004-04-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mon, 2004-04-26 at 15:42, Jim Fulton wrote: The reason that I hate merge messages like this is that I find it very difficult to find the branch checkin messages in thye log. It's possible, but so difficult that I generally would rather not bother. I agree, but history is history, so we

[Zope-dev] RE: [ZODB-Dev] Subversion repository layout

2004-04-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mon, 2004-04-26 at 15:48, Tim Peters wrote: [Jim] I read some subversion docs over the weekend, and so am sufficiently prepared to live with the oddities of a standard subversion layout. I think that if you make a non-standard layout, then everyone coming to, or going from, Zope from/to

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] What do we want to bring from CVS to Subversion

2004-04-26 Thread Tres Seaver
Barry Warsaw wrote: On Mon, 2004-04-26 at 15:23, Jim Fulton wrote: 2. Convert the mainline history, but leave off the branches. Would this mean we'd lose the log messages too? If so -1 because often merge messages aren't very helpful. merged foo-bar-branch to head would suck if you couldn't

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] What do we want to bring from CVS to Subversion

2004-04-26 Thread Jim Fulton
Barry Warsaw wrote: On Mon, 2004-04-26 at 15:42, Jim Fulton wrote: The reason that I hate merge messages like this is that I find it very difficult to find the branch checkin messages in thye log. It's possible, but so difficult that I generally would rather not bother. I agree, but history is

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-26 Thread Paul Winkler
On Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 07:47:39PM +0200, Dieter Maurer wrote: Our minimal tool usage is probably: Actions, Membership, Skins, Types, Workflow. I'm curious... do you use these with sites that are not in any other way based on CMFCore/CMFDefault ? -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com Look!

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] RE: [ZODB-Dev] Subversion repository layout

2004-04-26 Thread Martijn Faassen
Tim Peters wrote: I read some subversion docs over the weekend, and so am sufficiently prepared to live with the oddities of a standard subversion layout. I think that if you make a non-standard layout, then everyone coming to, or going from, Zope from/to other subversion projects will be forever

RE: [Zope-dev] Z2 HEAD in rough shape for b/c

2004-04-26 Thread Tim Peters
[Chris McDonough] ... - The ZODBMountPoint product relies on a method of Connection objects named _getMountedConnection, which apparently no longer exists. Connection objects never had such a method, but they still do wink. This breaks any mounted databases (which breaks dbtab, which breaks

[Zope-dev] Re: [Archetypes-devel] Unicode in Zope 2 (ZMI, Archetypes, Plone, Formulator)

2004-04-26 Thread Martijn Faassen
Bjorn Stabell wrote: Formulator: * gets charset from manage_page_charset (same as ZMI), but can be overridden * stores field values as encoded text (not Unicode), but lets you specify which encoding to use (confusingly calls this unicode mode) * messages are stored as UTF-8 (hardcoded) While

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Archetypes-devel] Unicode in Zope 2 (ZMI, Archetypes, Plone, Formulator)

2004-04-26 Thread Martijn Faassen
David Convent wrote: Hi Bjorn, I always believed that unicode and utf-8 were same encoding, but reading you let me think i was wrong. Can you tell me what the difference is between unicode and utf-8 ? Unicode should not be seen as an encoding as such. While Python internally uses an encoding

RE: [Zope-dev] Z2 HEAD in rough shape for b/c

2004-04-26 Thread Chris McDonough
On Mon, 2004-04-26 at 18:06, Tim Peters wrote: Connection objects never had such a method, but they still do wink. Ya, I figured this out later. ;-) This breaks any mounted databases (which breaks dbtab, which breaks sessions, which breaks lots of other things). Hopefully this is simple

[Zope-dev] RE: [Zope3-dev] RE: [ZODB-Dev] Subversion repository layout

2004-04-26 Thread Tim Peters
[Tim Peters] ... IOW, the existing subversion docs cover the standard layout quite well. If we do something unique, I'm afraid it becomes another piece of folklore that will be impossible to guess and difficult to find out about. [Martijn Faassen] I don't know much about subversion, but

Re: [ZODB-Dev] Re: BTrees strangeness (was [Zope-dev] Zope 2.X BIG Session problems - blocker - our site dies - need help of experience Zope developer, please)

2004-04-26 Thread Michael Dunstan
On 11/03/2004, at 7:25 PM, Chris McDonough wrote: On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 23:14, michael wrote: Thanks for your excellent isolation here. I don't get a KeyError thrown until *after* at least one rendering of standard_error_message that includes an access to a session variable. And I'm only

[Zope-dev] RE: [ZODB-Dev] Subversion repository layout

2004-04-26 Thread Kapil Thangavelu
On Mon, 2004-04-26 at 15:48, Tim Peters wrote: [Jim] The standard subversion repository layout is by project: proj1 /trunk /branches /br1 /br2 ... /tags /tag1 /tag2

Re: [Zope-dev] performance tuning of ZODB

2004-04-26 Thread Leonardo Rochael Almeida
Hi Syver, Please add this issue to the Collector, including the test (prefereably without the twisted bits) On Thu, 2004-04-22 at 12:57, Syver Enstad wrote: [...] I have a strange case here with ReadConflictErrors. I don't know if this is covered already but anyway. I am using ZODB 3.2 so

[Zope-dev] RE: [Archetypes-devel] Unicode in Zope 2 (ZMI, Archetypes, Plone, Formulator)

2004-04-26 Thread Bjorn Stabell
None of the above components handles Unicode in this way, but it seems to be how the Unicode support in Zope 2 was meant to be used. Martijn wrote: You're actually wrong about Formulator. :) Apologies. We were using older versions of Formulator before, and I was just doing code inspection

[Zope-dev] RE: [ZODB-Dev] Subversion repository layout

2004-04-26 Thread Tim Peters
[Kapil Thangavelu] ... I like the layouts Jim's presented (specifically #2 of 3), i think when considering the subversion docs, the important distinctions are made between the directories used for branches and tags, as long as that information is clearly communicated the semantics are exactly

[Zope-dev] RE: [ZODB-Dev] Subversion repository layout

2004-04-26 Thread Kapil Thangavelu
On Mon, 2004-04-26 at 22:30, Tim Peters wrote: [Kapil Thangavelu] ... I like the layouts Jim's presented (specifically #2 of 3), i think when considering the subversion docs, the important distinctions are made between the directories used for branches and tags, as long as that