Re: [Zope-dev] Slow zope on windows 2000?
On Wednesday 28 Aug 2002 6:46 pm, Casey Duncan wrote: > One other difference is classically due to a more efficient select > mechanism on Unix than Windows (ala asyncore), making multitasking more > efficient on *nix. However, I don't know if that's true anymore post-NT4. Yes, thats still true. select is the native Unix way of handling asynchronous IO, but on Win32 select is a compatability layer provided for posix compatability, and to make it easy to port unix network services to windows. Win32's native concurrency and asynchronous IO capabilities are in many ways superior to the posix select. They are top of my list of things I regret leaving behind since moving my recent development from windows to linux. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Slow zope on windows 2000?
Hello Casey, > One thing to remember is that running multi-treaded Python apps on a > multi-processor box is suboptimal unless you can bind all the threads to a > single processor, due to the Python GIL. IOW : Buying a dual processor computer is not so usefull if the computer is dedicated running zope? And if you have to use a dual CPU computer, binding all the threads to a single processor increases zope performance? (If so, how can you do that? :) > The only way to do a true comparison would be to run the same tests on the > same app on the same hardware with the same load but with different OSes. That's true. I was wondering if you guys at zope comp. have any recent benchmarks yourself with the different Operating systems? Martijn. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
RE: [Zope-dev] Slow zope on windows 2000?
Actually, I believe that NT Workstation ran dynamic web apps better than NT server. This was because the tuning on NT server out of the box was really geared toward file-server type applications. I assume the case is the same with win2k. At that, I don't think is would be noticeable enough, except under real stress. Sean -Original Message- From: Arndt Droullier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 12:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: AW: [Zope-dev] Slow zope on windows 2000? > This, however, is almost an order of magnitude difference, and may need > further investigation... > > Adam > There´s also a difference between Win2000 and Win2000 Server. The Server version is optimised for network and system operations(thread/memory allocation) and really much faster than the normal edition. I suppose you will have a magnificant performance difference with Zope on these two systems. Arndt ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Slow zope on windows 2000?
I wouldn't say so. I used to run Zope on a Win2k A/S and the perf was not noticably better than on a similar Pro machine. Adrian... -- Adrian Hungate EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.haqa.co.uk - Original Message - From: "Arndt Droullier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 8:12 PM Subject: AW: [Zope-dev] Slow zope on windows 2000? > > > > > > This, however, is almost an order of magnitude difference, and may need > > further investigation... > > > > Adam > > > > There´s also a difference between Win2000 and Win2000 Server. The Server > version is optimised for network and system operations(thread/memory > allocation) and really much faster than the normal edition. > I suppose you will have a magnificant performance difference with Zope on > these two systems. > > Arndt > > > ___ > Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) > ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
AW: [Zope-dev] Slow zope on windows 2000?
> This, however, is almost an order of magnitude difference, and may need > further investigation... > > Adam > There´s also a difference between Win2000 and Win2000 Server. The Server version is optimised for network and system operations(thread/memory allocation) and really much faster than the normal edition. I suppose you will have a magnificant performance difference with Zope on these two systems. Arndt ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
RE: [Zope-dev] Slow zope on windows 2000?
For what its worth, a long time ago, with an ancient version of Zope running on the original W2k Professional on my home machine (minus any service packs), Zope (running as a service) was magnitudes of order slower after coming back from a system Hibernate; I no longer hibernate/power-manage Win2k, nor run Zope on Windows, so I'm really not sure why this was, and likely will never know. Sean -Original Message- From: Adam Manock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 10:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] Slow zope on windows 2000? > >I'm not sure that is the case you know. Oracle 9i Linux is faster on my >Linux Athlon 800 than the same release on my Win2k Dual Piii 1GHz. > >Also my Win box has 1Gb ram, while my Linux box has only 512Mb... In other news Apache is reported to run faster on Linux that Win2000, as is PostgreSQL. Samba is reported to provide double the throughput of Win2000 native file services, with half the response delay for client requests. >Very much so! On a Win2k with Dual P3 1Ghz Zope runs slower than the same >install on a Linux box with 1 P133 (I have tested this on multiple >different configurations and every time it comes out the same) This, however, is almost an order of magnitude difference, and may need further investigation... Adam ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Slow zope on windows 2000?
> >I'm not sure that is the case you know. Oracle 9i Linux is faster on my >Linux Athlon 800 than the same release on my Win2k Dual Piii 1GHz. > >Also my Win box has 1Gb ram, while my Linux box has only 512Mb... In other news Apache is reported to run faster on Linux that Win2000, as is PostgreSQL. Samba is reported to provide double the throughput of Win2000 native file services, with half the response delay for client requests. >Very much so! On a Win2k with Dual P3 1Ghz Zope runs slower than the same >install on a Linux box with 1 P133 (I have tested this on multiple >different configurations and every time it comes out the same) This, however, is almost an order of magnitude difference, and may need further investigation... Adam ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Slow zope on windows 2000?
One thing to remember is that running multi-treaded Python apps on a multi-processor box is suboptimal unless you can bind all the threads to a single processor, due to the Python GIL. So, I'm not surprised that a 800MHz Athlon outperforms a dual 1GHz Piii with Zope, regardless of OS. As for Oracle, I cannot say. The only way to do a true comparison would be to run the same tests on the same app on the same hardware with the same load but with different OSes. One other difference is classically due to a more efficient select mechanism on Unix than Windows (ala asyncore), making multitasking more efficient on *nix. However, I don't know if that's true anymore post-NT4. -Casey On Wednesday 28 August 2002 12:44 pm, Adrian Hungate wrote: > From: "Shane Hathaway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Adrian Hungate wrote: > > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > >>Hello, > > >> > > >>I have a question for you zope administrators out there : > > >>What are your experiences whith zope running on Windows NT/2K? No matter > > >>what I try , zope will run significant faster on a Unixlike system > > >>(with the same hardware), especially when working alot with the > ZCatalog. > > > > > > > > > Very much so! On a Win2k with Dual P3 1Ghz Zope runs slower than the > same > > > install on a Linux box with 1 P133 (I have tested this on multiple > > > different configurations and every time it comes out the same) > > > > How can that be? If anything, Zope should run just slightly faster on > > Windows, since VC++ produces more optimized code than GCC 2.x, resulting > > in higher pystones. > > > > Could it be that one of the optional C extensions isn't working on > > Windows? (I have a Win NT CD and plenty of HD space but no desire to > > install it. ;-) ) > > I'm not sure that is the case you know. Oracle 9i Linux is faster on my > Linux Athlon 800 than the same release on my Win2k Dual Piii 1GHz. > > Also my Win box has 1Gb ram, while my Linux box has only 512Mb... > > VC++ does optimise some operations better than GCC (This is well documented) > but that does not make up for the OS it is running on. > > Generally my experience has been that although Windows sometimes _feels_ > faster, in my experience, in _practical_ tests other OS's have _always_ > out-performed it. Windows Explorer may be faster than MacOS finder, or GMC > etc on Linux, but very few practical operations revolve around listing > directories on screen. > > If someone has a recipe to make my windows PC run faster than my Linux box, > I'm willing to try it. > > Adrian... > > -- > Adrian Hungate > EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Web: http://www.haqa.co.uk > > > > ___ > Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) > ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Slow zope on windows 2000?
From: "Shane Hathaway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Adrian Hungate wrote: > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >>Hello, > >> > >>I have a question for you zope administrators out there : > >>What are your experiences whith zope running on Windows NT/2K? No matter > >>what I try , zope will run significant faster on a Unixlike system > >>(with the same hardware), especially when working alot with the ZCatalog. > > > > > > Very much so! On a Win2k with Dual P3 1Ghz Zope runs slower than the same > > install on a Linux box with 1 P133 (I have tested this on multiple > > different configurations and every time it comes out the same) > > How can that be? If anything, Zope should run just slightly faster on > Windows, since VC++ produces more optimized code than GCC 2.x, resulting > in higher pystones. > > Could it be that one of the optional C extensions isn't working on > Windows? (I have a Win NT CD and plenty of HD space but no desire to > install it. ;-) ) I'm not sure that is the case you know. Oracle 9i Linux is faster on my Linux Athlon 800 than the same release on my Win2k Dual Piii 1GHz. Also my Win box has 1Gb ram, while my Linux box has only 512Mb... VC++ does optimise some operations better than GCC (This is well documented) but that does not make up for the OS it is running on. Generally my experience has been that although Windows sometimes _feels_ faster, in my experience, in _practical_ tests other OS's have _always_ out-performed it. Windows Explorer may be faster than MacOS finder, or GMC etc on Linux, but very few practical operations revolve around listing directories on screen. If someone has a recipe to make my windows PC run faster than my Linux box, I'm willing to try it. Adrian... -- Adrian Hungate EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.haqa.co.uk ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Slow zope on windows 2000?
Adrian Hungate wrote: > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>Hello, >> >>I have a question for you zope administrators out there : >>What are your experiences whith zope running on Windows NT/2K? No matter >>what I try , zope will run significant faster on a Unixlike system >>(with the same hardware), especially when working alot with the ZCatalog. > > > Very much so! On a Win2k with Dual P3 1Ghz Zope runs slower than the same > install on a Linux box with 1 P133 (I have tested this on multiple > different configurations and every time it comes out the same) How can that be? If anything, Zope should run just slightly faster on Windows, since VC++ produces more optimized code than GCC 2.x, resulting in higher pystones. Could it be that one of the optional C extensions isn't working on Windows? (I have a Win NT CD and plenty of HD space but no desire to install it. ;-) ) Shane ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Slow zope on windows 2000?
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hello, > > I have a question for you zope administrators out there : > What are your experiences whith zope running on Windows NT/2K? No matter > what I try , zope will run significant faster on a Unixlike system > (with the same hardware), especially when working alot with the ZCatalog. Very much so! On a Win2k with Dual P3 1Ghz Zope runs slower than the same install on a Linux box with 1 P133 (I have tested this on multiple different configurations and every time it comes out the same) > Do you guys have any proposals how to make zope run faster on windows? > My own experience is also that zope runs faster with the "start.bat" way > instead as a Windows NT Service. Strange, because I tried several numbers > of threads with both ways with the same startup parameters. I have yet to find any platform independant product that runs faster on windows. The only things on windows that are faster are programs that use windows specific APIs (Mainly designed to _prevent_ platform independance). Best bet:- Go get a £300 ($450) pc and install Linux on it and use your Windows box for what windows is good at (Sugestions anyone???) - This is what I did, and the results were not at all disappointing. > Thnx in advance, > Adrian... -- Adrian Hungate EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.haqa.co.uk ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
