[Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 6 OK

2010-01-22 Thread Zope Tests Summarizer
Summary of messages to the zope-tests list. Period Thu Jan 21 12:00:00 2010 UTC to Fri Jan 22 12:00:00 2010 UTC. There were 6 messages: 6 from Zope Tests. Tests passed OK --- Subject: OK : Zope-2.10 Python-2.4.6 : Linux From: Zope Tests Date: Thu Jan 21 20:36:54 EST 2010 URL:

Re: [Zope-dev] Where is the position of BlueBream in Zope ecosystem ?

2010-01-22 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 04:55, Alex Clark acl...@aclark.net wrote: We certainly have not reached the goal of helping newcomers understand the Zope ecosystem in any other way to date, IMO.) If this is so, then I'm surprised. It seems perfectly clear to me. 1. In the beginning there is Python,

Re: [Zope-dev] Where is the position of BlueBream in Zope ecosystem ?

2010-01-22 Thread Hermann Himmelbauer
Am Freitag 22 Januar 2010 14:46:16 schrieb Lennart Regebro: On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 04:55, Alex Clark acl...@aclark.net wrote: We certainly have not reached the goal of helping newcomers understand the Zope ecosystem in any other way to date, IMO.) If this is so, then I'm surprised. It

Re: [Zope-dev] Where is the position of BlueBream in Zope ecosystem ?

2010-01-22 Thread Baiju M
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Hermann Himmelbauer du...@qwer.tk wrote: When it gets to ZCA, I can't find anything, except for Baiju's book and maybe somewhere some document about the Zope Component Architecture. If we introduce the word ZCA, I would recommend to put up a simple page on e.g.

Re: [Zope-dev] Where is the position of BlueBream in Zope ecosystem ?

2010-01-22 Thread Alex Clark
On 2010-01-22, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 04:55, Alex Clark acl...@aclark.net wrote: We certainly have not reached the goal of helping newcomers understand the Zope ecosystem in any other way to date, IMO.) If this is so, then I'm surprised. It seems

Re: [Zope-dev] Where is the position of BlueBream in Zope ecosystem ?

2010-01-22 Thread Alex Clark
On 2010-01-22, Hermann Himmelbauer du...@qwer.tk wrote: Am Freitag 22 Januar 2010 14:46:16 schrieb Lennart Regebro: On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 04:55, Alex Clark acl...@aclark.net wrote: We certainly have not reached the goal of helping newcomers understand the Zope ecosystem in any other way

Re: [Zope-dev] Where is the position of BlueBream in Zope ecosystem ?

2010-01-22 Thread Wichert Akkerman
On 1/22/10 14:46 , Lennart Regebro wrote: * BFG is a minimalistic web framework built on Zope ideas and experiences, but as a part of it's minimalistic nature does not include *anything* of the ZTK, it just builds on the ZCA. But you can use the ZTK, if you want to, you are just not required

Re: [Zope-dev] Wrong check out path on zope site

2010-01-22 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, On 01/20/2010 08:56 AM, Yuan HOng wrote: Hi, The svn check out path for Zope 3.4 given on the following page: http://docs.zope.org/developer/subversion-readonly-checkouts.html is not correct. The correct one should be: svn co svn://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Zope3/branches/3.4

Re: [Zope-dev] Where is the position of BlueBream in Zope ecosystem ?

2010-01-22 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Wichert Akkerman wich...@wiggy.net wrote: BFG uses the ZCA for some implementation details, I'm not sure if that is the same as 'builds on the ZCA'. I don't think you can use the ZTK with BFG - the vast majority of ZTK packages are too tied to concepts that do

[Zope-dev] [ZF] Announcement: 2010 Zope Foundation Board Elections and General Meeting

2010-01-22 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 (apologies in advance for the cross-post: we need this to reach the whole Zope community). The Zope Foundation board is pleased to announce the regular 2010 general meeting of the foundation will be held on Wednesday, 24 February 2010, at 17:00 UTC.

Re: [Zope-dev] Where is the position of BlueBream in Zope ecosystem ?

2010-01-22 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wichert Akkerman wrote: On 1/22/10 14:46 , Lennart Regebro wrote: * BFG is a minimalistic web framework built on Zope ideas and experiences, but as a part of it's minimalistic nature does not include *anything* of the ZTK, it just builds on the

Re: [Zope-dev] Where is the position of BlueBream in Zope ecosystem ?

2010-01-22 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 15:28, Hermann Himmelbauer du...@qwer.tk wrote: What I can't find is some entry page for ZTK (at least I find http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit). Well isn't that enough? It's nothing you can download and test, it's a collection of libraries of limited interest outside

Re: [Zope-dev] Where is the position of BlueBream in Zope ecosystem ?

2010-01-22 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 15:38, Alex Clark acl...@aclark.net wrote: 2. Then you get ZCA a component architecture for Python. It has nothing to do with Web whatsoever. E.g. zope.component and one or two others? Yup. 3. Then we have ZTK. A toolkit for building web frameworks. This is where

Re: [Zope-dev] Where is the position of BlueBream in Zope ecosystem ?

2010-01-22 Thread Wichert Akkerman
On 2010-1-22 18:41, Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wichert Akkerman wrote: On 1/22/10 14:46 , Lennart Regebro wrote: * BFG is a minimalistic web framework built on Zope ideas and experiences, but as a part of it's minimalistic nature does not include

Re: [Zope-dev] Where is the position of BlueBream in Zope ecosystem ?

2010-01-22 Thread Jan Ulrich Hasecke
On 22.01.10 19:42, Lennart Regebro wrote: Yeah, the component architecture maybe could use some more advertising. FullACK I think the ZCA is our USP. As I said before, we will launch a new zope.de website in Germany soon and produce a imagebroschure about Zope which will both emphasize this

[Zope-dev] zope.app.authentication

2010-01-22 Thread Souheil CHELFOUH
Hello guys, I'm coding some stuff, using zope.app.authentication and this package appears to do too many things, in my opinion. Would it be wise to cut off some of the functionalities ? The pure PAU components could go in a dedicated package, like zope.pluggableauthservice The whole handling of

Re: [Zope-dev] [ZF] Announcement: 2010 Zope Foundation Board Elections and General Meeting

2010-01-22 Thread Chris McDonough
I nominate Tres Seaver. - C Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 (apologies in advance for the cross-post: we need this to reach the whole Zope community). The Zope Foundation board is pleased to announce the regular 2010 general meeting of the foundation

Re: [Zope-dev] Where is the position of BlueBream in Zope ecosystem ?

2010-01-22 Thread Chris McDonough
Wichert Akkerman wrote: On 2010-1-22 18:41, Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wichert Akkerman wrote: On 1/22/10 14:46 , Lennart Regebro wrote: * BFG is a minimalistic web framework built on Zope ideas and experiences, but as a part of it's minimalistic

Re: [Zope-dev] Where is the position of BlueBream in Zope ecosystem ?

2010-01-22 Thread Chris McDonough
Lennart Regebro wrote: 5. There is also BFG, which doesn't include/build on the ZTK (as the others do). Right, it's loosely coupled with the ZCA, but you can throw that out too, if you like? Chris has to answer that. BFG uses some Zope software, like, say, Pylons uses software made by

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.app.authentication

2010-01-22 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Souheil CHELFOUH troll...@gmail.com wrote: I'm coding some stuff, using zope.app.authentication and this package appears to do too many things, in my opinion. Would it be wise to cut off some of the functionalities ? The pure PAU components could go in a

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.app.authentication

2010-01-22 Thread Souheil CHELFOUH
I don't think so. The PAU is quite a big chunk and would really deserve to live on its own piece of land. zope.authentication is really about the authentication basics, not all the pluggability and plugin that PAU brings in. zope.app.authentication is just too confuse as it defines PAU and a whole

Re: [Zope-dev] Where is the position of BlueBream in Zope ecosystem ?

2010-01-22 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wichert Akkerman wrote: On 2010-1-22 18:41, Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wichert Akkerman wrote: On 1/22/10 14:46 , Lennart Regebro wrote: * BFG is a minimalistic web framework built on Zope ideas and

[Zope-dev] quitting the ZTK steering group

2010-01-22 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hi there, This is to announce my withdrawal from the Zope Toolkit steering group. I withdraw from the Zope Toolkit steering group for two reasons: * The steering group is not working as a group. Most steering group members haven't been doing much steering. This left me by myself to try to

Re: [Zope-dev] Where is the position of BlueBream in Zope ecosystem ?

2010-01-22 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 22:09, Chris McDonough chr...@plope.com wrote: Cool picture, but I might put ZCA at its own level (maybe by moving Zope Toolkit to the framework level, or giving it its own level). It's possible that the component level is pointless. I mostly wanted the framework level

Re: [Zope-dev] Where is the position of BlueBream in Zope ecosystem ?

2010-01-22 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote: I also don't know of any applications running on the other frameworks, which is why it's so empty there. SchoolTool and Launchpad have been mentioned as Zope3 applications in the past. Karl would be an example for BFG.

Re: [Zope-dev] Where is the position of BlueBream in Zope ecosystem ?

2010-01-22 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 22:44, Hanno Schlichting ha...@hannosch.eu wrote: On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote: I also don't know of any applications running on the other frameworks, which is why it's so empty there. SchoolTool and Launchpad have been

Re: [Zope-dev] Where is the position of BlueBream in Zope ecosystem ?

2010-01-22 Thread Gary Poster
On Jan 22, 2010, at 4:51 PM, Lennart Regebro wrote: On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 22:44, Hanno Schlichting ha...@hannosch.eu wrote: On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote: I also don't know of any applications running on the other frameworks, which is why it's so

Re: [Zope-dev] Where is the position of BlueBream in Zope ecosystem ?

2010-01-22 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote: Is Launchpad available as an application you can install and run? For some definition of that, yes: https://dev.launchpad.net/ Hanno ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org

Re: [Zope-dev] quitting the ZTK steering group

2010-01-22 Thread Jan-Wijbrand Kolman
Martijn Faassen faas...@startifact.com wrote: Hi there, This is to announce my withdrawal from the Zope Toolkit steering group. I'm not sure if you're reading this, but I wanted to thank you anyway for the tremendous amount of energy you've put into the steering group. kind regards, jw