views expressed in this email are those of the whole world, however some
people don't realise this yet.
- Original Message -
From: Joachim Werner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Jeffrey P Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 12:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] Open
On Sat, 1 Dec 2001 08:50:14 -0500, Andreas Jung
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Also I had expect some input of the community regarding at unicode support
inside Zope. But there has been no feedback. It looks like no one needs
unicode support in Zope ?! :-)
I see the smiley, but Im still not sure
Clearly this is a situation that has broken down. I'll suggest a
resolution in a private note to you in a sec.
--Paul
Toby Dickenson wrote:
On Sat, 1 Dec 2001 08:50:14 -0500, Andreas Jung
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Also I had expect some input of the community regarding at unicode
Friends,first thing I want is to express my
huge gratitude to have something like Zope and its community.I
have read all the all the mail that has been stirred by "that" open letter.I
agree very much and I am willing to contribute as much as I can that zope should
grow 10x.I found two
Agreed completely on both of those points. There's double good news on
both:
1) Someone plans to do something about it.
2) Both are with community involvement.
On documentation, someone in the community has committed to taking over
the Documentation page on zope.org and finally organizing
Hi!
This is a totally different business model than the one Zope Corp. is
using
right now, but it might help refinancing the overhead a good community
needs
to have ...
Would it have to be done by ZC?
No, of course not.
And there could be more than one of course (though we'd need a
The second is pretty exciting as well. I saw a presentation in Paris by
Juan David Palomar, of Localizer fame. (The presentation is now up at
http://estce.act.uji.es:9673/localizer). The presentation impressed me
on the need to get someone into the core of Zope that knows all these
- Original Message -
From: Joachim Werner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Paul Everitt [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Robert Rottermann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 08:22
Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev
The second is pretty exciting as well. I
Of course there are hot spots. I have asked multiple times for help on the
mailing
lists and the Eurozope site to identify such related hot spots.
Also I had expect some input of the community regarding at unicode support
inside Zope. But there has been no feedback. It looks like no one
If anyone has seen how open source works, there is
usually a strong core team - like the ZC folks- who
provide direction to the project. There are also
dozens if not hundreds of enthusiastic folks who are
less involved but contribute features, patches, bug
fixes, documentation ...
Despite the
- Original Message -
From: Clark O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Joachim Werner [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Andy Dawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev
If anyone has seen how open source works
On Sat, 2001-12-01 at 06:02, Joachim Werner wrote:
Hi!
This is a totally different business model than the one Zope Corp. is
using
right now, but it might help refinancing the overhead a good community
needs
to have ...
Would it have to be done by ZC?
No, of course not.
Clark O'Brien wrote:
In my humble opinion if the open source process had
been allowed to progress unfettered by corporate greed
Zope would even now have a state of maturity
that it is not likely to reach even in 10 years of
development at the current rate.
Oh go back to your troll hole
From: Andrew Kenneth Milton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Noone from Zope Corp seems to monitor the list to help out.
That is not my experience at all. I have received answers from Zope corps
several times. But sure, most of the answers you get come from the community
members. Thats what a community is all
Lennart Regebro wrote:
What I do agree on is that Zope corp not always seem to *listen* to the
community. It is hard to contribute to Zope, and it feels to me that you
have to fight to make Zope Corp to things the right way, even when you in
fact already have done the work for them. I
* Lennart Regebro [EMAIL PROTECTED] [011130 11:24]:
From: Andrew Kenneth Milton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Noone from Zope Corp seems to monitor the list to help out.
That is not my experience at all. I have received answers from Zope corps
several times. But sure, most of the answers you get come
Lennart Regebro wrote:
Does the fishbowl process address this for you?
http://dev.zope.org/Fishbowl/Introduction.html
I'm aware of the fishbowl process.
Sorry, I wasn't clear with my question.
Does the fishbowl process address what you said about having to fight to
get things done
On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:28:44 +, Steve Alexander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does the fishbowl process address what you said about having to fight to
get things done the right way, even when you've already produced the
code, and making up for people's lack of time to do everything?
In my
On Friday, November 30, 2001, at 04:18 AM, Lennart Regebro wrote:
What I do agree on is that Zope corp not always seem to *listen* to the
community. It is hard to contribute to Zope, and it feels to me
that you
have to fight to make Zope Corp to things the right way, even when
you in
Andrew Kenneth Milton writes:
It is the people who are in the trenches who are increasingly being
disaffected by Zope Corp, it seems as if you're not subscribed to zope-dev,
you have no voice, and for most people zope-dev is not an appropriate forum
for them to be subscribed to.
Hi!
To be honest i would be happy for Zope 3 not to be backwards
compatible. Tidy it up, delete the unless code, dare i say it -
refactor. Yes so my products will break, well half a days refactoring
myself and i have a tidier more understandable project anyway.
YES, we need a new start.
Noone from Zope Corp seems to monitor the list to help out.
That is not my experience at all. I have received answers from Zope corps
several times. But sure, most of the answers you get come from the
community
members. Thats what a community is all about, and thats the hallmark of a
good
I seem to have to comment on most of the mails in this thread. Sorry for
that ;-)
Personally, I think ZC are trying very hard, but are not getting it
right. I'm also very sure they are taking this conversation
seriously. Brian responded very quickly to the userfolder 'api'
issues. They
Hi Paul!
I don't want to replace one group of people with a busy agenda with
another group of people with a busy agenda. We need a small group of
people that are willing to make a long-term commitment to
responsibility. These people can then tap into others that can commit
on an as-needed
Where's the $99 version of Zope? The $499? The $1499? The
$25999? Zope Corp hasn't pulled that card out like many other
vendors have. There are actually many pieces of Zope that were
initially commercial add-ons (or intended to be) that are now all
open source.
I sometimes have the
The session management framework (formerly known as CoreSessionTracking, now
it is in the core and just called Session) is another example, if my first
look was right. The API seems to have changed a lot between the last CST and
the final Session release that is part of 2.5 beta. O.k., there
Chris was just drinking a beer with us at Orbit's twenty minutes ago,
and now he's responding to email on a Friday night. That's just sick.
I don't think your boss fully appreciates you, number 27. :^)
--Paul
Chris McDonough wrote:
The session management framework (formerly known as
He's also on #zope, chatting and supporting :)
On Saturday 01 December 2001 02:02, Paul Everitt wrote:
Chris was just drinking a beer with us at Orbit's twenty minutes ago,
and now he's responding to email on a Friday night. That's just sick.
I don't think your boss fully appreciates you,
...
This is a totally different business model than the one Zope Corp. is using
right now, but it might help refinancing the overhead a good community needs
to have ...
Would it have to be done by ZC?
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