[Zope3-dev] Re: broken zope.lifecycleevent 3.4.0 on cheeseshop?

2007-09-04 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Tres Seaver wrote: Benji York wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: I like distribution as a place to put packages that aren't ready for PyPI. Unfortunately, we've put a lot of packages in PyPI that aren't ready IMO. I suggest we put them in PyPI earlier and use "Development Status :: 2 - Pre-Alpha". O

[Zope3-dev] Re: RFC: Known working sets

2007-09-04 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: > On 4 Sep 2007, at 20:07 , Tres Seaver wrote: >> Perhaps we need to think of the "known good" set as a "PyPI subset", >> which is maintained in the same way that the various Debian distro >> lists >> are: they may e

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: RFC: Known working sets

2007-09-04 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
On 4 Sep 2007, at 19:15 , Dieter Maurer wrote: Chris Withers wrote at 2007-9-4 09:15 +0100: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: As far as I understand your use case, i twould already be covered by my original proposal: you always have the option to locally override what's specified in the work

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: RFC: Known working sets

2007-09-04 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
On 4 Sep 2007, at 16:13 , Jim Fulton wrote: How would the "known_working_versions" be used? You haven't specified that. You're right, I forgot that. In buildout.cfg, you'd then say: [buildout] versions = egg:grok==0.11 which would load the grok 0.11 egg before doing anything else, ins

[Zope3-dev] Re: RFC: Known working sets

2007-09-04 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
On 4 Sep 2007, at 20:07 , Tres Seaver wrote: Dieter Maurer wrote: Wichert Akkerman wrote at 2007-9-4 09:12 +0200: ... Linux distros take an approach that does not fit in the python world though: their meta-set is a release with its own package database. In other words every distribution/meta-

[Zope3-dev] Re: RFC: Known working sets

2007-09-04 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dieter Maurer wrote: > Wichert Akkerman wrote at 2007-9-4 09:12 +0200: >> ... >> Linux distros take an approach that does not fit in the python world >> though: their meta-set is a release with its own package database. In >> other words every distri

[Zope3-dev] Re: broken zope.lifecycleevent 3.4.0 on cheeseshop?

2007-09-04 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Benji York wrote: > Jim Fulton wrote: >> I like distribution as a place to put packages that aren't ready for >> PyPI. Unfortunately, we've put a lot of packages in PyPI that aren't >> ready IMO. > > I suggest we put them in PyPI earlier and use "

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: broken zope.lifecycleevent 3.4.0 on cheeseshop?

2007-09-04 Thread Benji York
Fred Drake wrote: On 9/4/07, Benji York <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I suggest we put them in PyPI earlier and use "Development Status :: 2 - Pre-Alpha". Of course, we don't want to spam PyPI with /too/ many uncooked packages. It would be good if distutils/setuptools/PyPI set this up based on t

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: broken zope.lifecycleevent 3.4.0 on cheeseshop?

2007-09-04 Thread Fred Drake
On 9/4/07, Benji York <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I suggest we put them in PyPI earlier and use "Development Status :: 2 - > Pre-Alpha". Of course, we don't want to spam PyPI with /too/ many > uncooked packages. It would be good if distutils/setuptools/PyPI set this up based on the label in the

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: RFC: Known working sets

2007-09-04 Thread Dieter Maurer
Wichert Akkerman wrote at 2007-9-4 09:12 +0200: > ... >Linux distros take an approach that does not fit in the python world >though: their meta-set is a release with its own package database. In >other words every distribution/meta-set has its own PyPI instance database. Not sure that I understa

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: broken zope.lifecycleevent 3.4.0 on cheeseshop?

2007-09-04 Thread Benji York
Jim Fulton wrote: I like distribution as a place to put packages that aren't ready for PyPI. Unfortunately, we've put a lot of packages in PyPI that aren't ready IMO. I suggest we put them in PyPI earlier and use "Development Status :: 2 - Pre-Alpha". Of course, we don't want to spam PyPI

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: RFC: Known working sets

2007-09-04 Thread Dieter Maurer
Chris Withers wrote at 2007-9-4 09:15 +0100: >Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: >> As far as I understand your use case, i twould already be covered by my >> original proposal: you always have the option to locally override what's >> specified in the working set. > >I think Dieter may have meant s

[Zope3-dev] Re: RFC: Known working sets

2007-09-04 Thread Dieter Maurer
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote at 2007-9-4 00:40 +0200: >Dieter Maurer wrote: >> Therefore, it might be helpful, if the known working set would not >> need to be a singleton (consists of just one element). >> >> Assume the following use case: >> >> I use grok to build one of my applications. >

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: RFC: Known working sets

2007-09-04 Thread Jim Fulton
On Sep 3, 2007, at 4:13 PM, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Wichert Akkerman wrote: The only problem is that distributing grok-0.11.cfg is a bit tedious. How about if buildout could get it from the web? How about making it available from an egg, through a hook in egg-info perhaps? This is

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: broken zope.lifecycleevent 3.4.0 on cheeseshop?

2007-09-04 Thread Jim Fulton
On Sep 2, 2007, at 8:20 AM, Benji York wrote: Baiju M wrote: BTW, do we need to upload eggs to http://download.zope.org/ distribution/ any more ? If we feel that depending on PyPI to install zope packages is OK, then we can decommission /distribution/. For the commercial projects I'm i

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: RFC: Known working sets

2007-09-04 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
On 4 Sep 2007, at 10:15 , Chris Withers wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: As far as I understand your use case, i twould already be covered by my original proposal: you always have the option to locally override what's specified in the working set. I think Dieter may have meant someth

[Zope3-dev] Re: What does python 3000 mean for zope?

2007-09-04 Thread Laurence Rowe
Hermann Himmelbauer wrote: Am Sonntag, 2. September 2007 08:18 schrieb Andreas Jung: --On 1. September 2007 16:21:23 -0400 Stephan Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Saturday 01 September 2007 15:33, Martijn Faassen wrote: I think Zope will be on Python 2.x for many years to come. I reall

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: RFC: Known working sets

2007-09-04 Thread Chris Withers
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: As far as I understand your use case, i twould already be covered by my original proposal: you always have the option to locally override what's specified in the working set. I think Dieter may have meant something like: [grok-0.11] grok = 0.11 ZODB = 3.

[Zope3-dev] Re: RFC: Known working sets

2007-09-04 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: On 4 Sep 2007, at 01:21 , Tres Seaver wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Wichert Akkerman wrote: The only problem is that distributing grok-0.11.cfg is a bit tediou