Re: [Zope-dev] AW: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-08 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 10/8/07, David Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dieter. Zope 2 is one application among many dependent upon zope 3. Zope 3 is different software than zope 2. It has a community of pure zope 3 developers (that I don't believe the suggestion of folding the lists together adequately

Re: [Zope-dev] AW: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-08 Thread Dieter Maurer
David Pratt wrote at 2007-10-8 00:21 -0300: Zope 2 is one application among many dependent upon zope 3. Zope 3 is different software than zope 2. I do not argue with you that Zope3 is different software than Zope 2. What I argue about is Zope 2 is an application. I have seen hundreds of

Re: [Zope-dev] AW: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-07 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 10/6/07, David Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with you Roger. I want things to stay as they are for the same reasons. I have great respect for Zope 2 developers however there there are two development paradigms at play that are fundamentally incompatible despite the inclusion of

Re: [Zope-dev] AW: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-07 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 10/6/07, Roger Ineichen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are using 7 times the term Zope2 and 9 times Zope 3 and also Plone 3.0 in this small text. Can you try to describe this without 2 or 3 in Zope *? I guess not, right? Now you are being silly. :-) He was writing a text about how small the

Re: AW: [Zope-dev] AW: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-07 Thread Dieter Maurer
Stephan Richter wrote at 2007-10-6 13:40 -0400: ... I personally feel quiet offended to see Zope 3 degraded to a set of components. Zope 3 in itself is also an application server; Zope 2, on the other hand, is an application. Maybe, but then Zope 2 is an application with variants that are not

Re: [Zope-dev] AW: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-07 Thread Dieter Maurer
David Pratt wrote at 2007-10-7 12:17 -0300: ... Zope 2 is a single application Are you sure you know Zope2 ? -- Dieter ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: AW: AW: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-07 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Martijn Faassen wrote: Zope 3 is a bunch of technologies for building (web) applications in the form of an integrate set of Python libraries. Let's call those the Zope Libraries. Because by now we have far more than just the ones that came from exploding Zope 3 (e.g. all the ones from the

Re: [Zope-dev] AW: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-07 Thread David Pratt
Hi Dieter. Zope 2 is one application among many dependent upon zope 3. Zope 3 is different software than zope 2. It has a community of pure zope 3 developers (that I don't believe the suggestion of folding the lists together adequately considers). Folks have been developing and collaborating

Re: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-06 Thread Jodok Batlogg
On 04.10.2007, at 15:57, Jim Fulton wrote: Any objections? This would basically involve retiring the zope3-dev list and moving zope3 developers to the zope-dev list. +1 Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope3-dev mailing list

Re: [Zope-dev] AW: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-06 Thread Benji York
Andreas Jung wrote: we want to get rid of the term Zope 3 in the future That's news to me. Perhaps for some definition of we. -- Benji York Senior Software Engineer Zope Corporation ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub:

Re: [Zope-dev] AW: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-06 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 6. Oktober 2007 08:14:10 -0400 Benji York [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andreas Jung wrote: we want to get rid of the term Zope 3 in the future The confusion for people with the terms and Zope 2 and Zope 3 was one of major topics of the last german Zope conference. And there were also

Re: [Zope-dev] AW: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-06 Thread David Pratt
Roger Ineichen wrote: Betreff: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists Any objections? This would basically involve retiring the zope3-dev list and moving zope3 developers to the zope-dev list. -1 Not that I'm not interested in what's going on in Zope 2, but the two

Re: [Zope-dev] AW: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-06 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 6. Oktober 2007 12:03:06 -0300 David Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with you Roger. I want things to stay as they are for the same reasons. I have great respect for Zope 2 developers however there there are two development paradigms at play that are fundamentally incompatible

AW: [Zope-dev] AW: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-06 Thread Roger Ineichen
Hi Andreas What do you man by two development paradigms? Please don't build a wall between Zope 2 and Zope 3 developers. Most old-school Zope 2 developers are doing development also with Zope 3 components and Zope 3 techniques. Look at Plone 3.0 and its heavy usage of Zope 3

Re: AW: [Zope-dev] AW: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-06 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 6. Oktober 2007 18:24:45 +0200 Roger Ineichen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Andreas What do you man by two development paradigms? Please don't build a wall between Zope 2 and Zope 3 developers. Most old-school Zope 2 developers are doing development also with Zope 3 components and Zope

Re: AW: [Zope-dev] AW: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-06 Thread Stephan Richter
On Saturday 06 October 2007 13:14, Andreas Jung wrote: You are using 7 times the term Zope2 and 9 times Zope 3 and also Plone 3.0 in this small text. Can you try to describe this without 2 or 3 in Zope *? I guess not, right? s/Zope 2/Zope application server s/Zope 3/Zope components I

Re: [Zope-dev] AW: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-06 Thread Dieter Maurer
Andreas Jung wrote at 2007-10-6 17:20 +0200: ... The distinction between Zope 2 and Zope 3 must disappear. We must speak of Zope. Everything else is counterproductive when it comes to promoting Zope. There is only one Zope developer community and most of us have a Zope 2 and a Zope 3 hat on

Re: [Zope-dev] AW: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-06 Thread David Pratt
Hi Andreas. Let me say I see the development paradigms as being the following without prejudice to any application that depends upon zope 3. Respectfully, no one is building walls. my contribution to the discussion is not about isolating folks but of the reality of the software differences.

AW: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-05 Thread Roger Ineichen
Betreff: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists Any objections? This would basically involve retiring the zope3-dev list and moving zope3 developers to the zope-dev list. -1 Not that I'm not interested in what's going on in Zope 2, but the two list let me

Re: [Zope-dev] AW: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-05 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 6. Oktober 2007 03:16:53 +0200 Roger Ineichen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Betreff: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists Any objections? This would basically involve retiring the zope3-dev list and moving zope3 developers to the zope-dev list. -1 Not that I'm

[Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-04 Thread Jim Fulton
Any objections? This would basically involve retiring the zope3-dev list and moving zope3 developers to the zope-dev list. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub:

Re: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-04 Thread Stephan Richter
On Thursday 04 October 2007 09:57, Jim Fulton wrote: This would basically involve retiring the zope3-dev list and moving   zope3 developers to the zope-dev list. -1. I do not follow zope-dev at all and the traffic is pretty high there. Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter CBU Physics

Re: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-04 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 4. Oktober 2007 15:15:40 -0400 Stephan Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 04 October 2007 09:57, Jim Fulton wrote: This would basically involve retiring the zope3-dev list and moving   zope3 developers to the zope-dev list. -1. I do not follow zope-dev at all and the