Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: I fold. What are ++etc++ and ++resource++ etc?

2006-06-13 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 6/13/06, Chris Withers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Indeed. Just as long as it's possible and doesn't involve too much hoop jumping ;-) Yup. And if you name all views something that ends in .html, and never ever call an attribute anything ending in .html, you are fine. :-) -- Lennart Regebro,

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: I fold. What are ++etc++ and ++resource++ etc?

2006-06-13 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 6/13/06, Michael Dexter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Please forgive my ignorance on the topic but I believe we collectively concluded that the official Zope 3 documentation does not explain the namespace traversal concept and its uses. No, it does explain that. What it does not do it tell you

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: I fold. What are ++etc++ and ++resource++ etc?

2006-06-13 Thread Michael Dexter
Thank you and Danke to all who helped address this issue. Please forgive my ignorance on the topic but I believe we collectively concluded that the official Zope 3 documentation does not explain the namespace traversal concept and its uses. I will chime in with an explanation for uninitiated

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: I fold. What are ++etc++ and ++resource++ etc?

2006-06-13 Thread Frank Burkhardt
Hi, On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 01:19:26PM +0200, Lennart Regebro wrote: [snip] > We need a Zope3 FAQ where things like this can be put, because the [snip] There already is one (in german): http://zope3.mpg.de/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Zope/PlusPlus http://zope3.mpg.de/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Zope/AtAt Re

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: I fold. What are ++etc++ and ++resource++ etc?

2006-06-13 Thread Chris Withers
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: 2. Fall out of search engines. Why? Search engines don't particularly like weird characters in urls. @ and + are not "weird" characters in URLs. They're allowed by the spec and I'd be surprised if they actually are a problem. So far, this is all hand-waving.

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: I fold. What are ++etc++ and ++resource++ etc?

2006-06-12 Thread Klaus Bremer
Ursprüngliche Nachricht am: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:53:32 +0200 von: Philipp von Weitershausen : [EMAIL PROTECTED] >If you can't >manage to spell "@" over the phone, then good luck spelling your email >address. It's a long time ago, but I remember a situation at school where we were learnin

[Zope3-Users] Re: I fold. What are ++etc++ and ++resource++ etc?

2006-06-12 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Michael Dexter wrote: >> My book (http://worldcookery.com) explains them, just look them up in >> the index. > > Where can I buy a copy for a reasonable price in Berlin? http://worldcookery.com/WhereToBuy lists several online possibilities. Of course, you should also be able to order it in any lo

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: I fold. What are ++etc++ and ++resource++ etc?

2006-06-12 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 6/12/06, Michael Dexter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My question is thus very naive: what is the ++xyz++ and @@xyz syntax and can it be avoided? You are right, it's very hard to find the answer to that, mainly because google of course will ignore if you search for just ++ or @@. If you on the

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: I fold. What are ++etc++ and ++resource++ etc?

2006-06-12 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Chris Withers wrote: > Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: >>> Failing to find a clear explanation, I only see a ways for Zope3-based >>> sites to: >>> >>> 1. Be toyed with by the user. >> >> How so? > > "ooo look, pretty shiny things in urls, I wonder what they mean" Right. What's the problem thoug

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: I fold. What are ++etc++ and ++resource++ etc?

2006-06-12 Thread Stephan Richter
On Monday 12 June 2006 02:47, Chris Withers wrote: > Good, I'd love to know how to produce a whole Zope 3 app without these > weird appendages... SchoolTool does not have any of those either. Namespaces are not that important for *specific* Web applications, but only for generic CMSs and the lik

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: I fold. What are ++etc++ and ++resource++ etc?

2006-06-12 Thread Tom Dossis
Michael Dexter wrote: > > My question is thus very naive: what is the ++xyz++ and @@xyz syntax and > can it be avoided? yes... The following are normally all equivalent.. http://host/content/++view++edit.html http://host/content/@@edit.html http://host/content/edit.html This presumes that you'

[Zope3-Users] Re: I fold. What are ++etc++ and ++resource++ etc?

2006-06-12 Thread Rocky Burt
On Sun, 2006-11-06 at 02:03 +0300, Michael Dexter wrote: > 2. Fall out of search engines. > 3. Break existing links. > 4. Fail the over-the-phone test of URl's... Just a quick note to address these three. In generall, mostly the ++resource++ stuff is used to access gifs, jpgs, css, etc. For real

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: I fold. What are ++etc++ and ++resource++ etc?

2006-06-12 Thread Michael Dexter
Hello, I see that Mr. Withers knows what I am talking about and I will attempt to address his comments along with those of Mr. von Weitershausen. My book (http://worldcookery.com) explains them, just look them up in the index. Where can I buy a copy for a reasonable price in Berlin? The

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: I fold. What are ++etc++ and ++resource++ etc?

2006-06-11 Thread Chris Withers
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Failing to find a clear explanation, I only see a ways for Zope3-based sites to: 1. Be toyed with by the user. How so? "ooo look, pretty shiny things in urls, I wonder what they mean" 2. Fall out of search engines. Why? Search engines don't particularly

[Zope3-Users] Re: I fold. What are ++etc++ and ++resource++ etc?

2006-06-10 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Michael Dexter wrote: > I've tried. I've failed. I've searched for a few hours now trying to > determine what things like ++etc++, ++resource++, @@contents.html, but > as with all things Zope, I need to know the answer before I can ask the > question. The best I can come up with is that they have s