Re: [Zope] Zope 2 for Windows
michael nt milne said the following on 10/12/2006 01:33 PM: No I get your point. I just feel that anti-windows feeling has to be flagged up. If not it gets endemnic and hopefully occasional pointers will feed in organically. Ultimately in OSS though people will do what they want and that is also part of the value. Finally I don't think I am 'whining' on this. there is no anti-windows feeling, even if some people make snug remarks about windows. There is a lack of windows-savvy developers that have time and resources to maintain the windows builds. However, that is a totally different issue, and your attitude does not help. So, if there are some souls here on this list that are less than pleasant at times (yeah, you know who you are :-), then by all means show some class and do not try to behave like them. so, to repeat: there is no anti-windows conspiracy, just an unfortunate lack of windows-savvy developers (I'll have to add that can afford the ms development tools ;-). my 2 eurocents. Cheers, /dario -- -- --- Dario Lopez-Kästen, IT Systems Services Chalmers University of Tech. Lyrics applied to programming application design: emancipate yourself from mental slavery - redemption song, b. marley ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2 for Windows
Michael, michael nt milne wrote: ignorant thinking. Most businesses use Windows and Zope will suffer unless it is embraced. Volunteer to look after Windows if you want to fix this, but do not insult those who have volunteered to look after other platforms. Re-read what Andreas said (there is no current maintainer, we do not have a volunteer, in essence) and what you said (ignorant thinking), and see if you can spot your mistake - you are attacking Andreas for not taking ownership of a platform he does /not/ use, in the context of his work to look after a platform he /does/ use. You really do need to stop shooting from the hip. -- Regards, PhilK Say what you mean. Bear witness. Iterate. —John M. Ford ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2 for Windows
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11 Oct 2006, at 17:14, michael nt milne wrote: The windows builds will be available as soon as someone volunteer to care about the Windows platform. ignorant thinking. Most businesses use Windows and Zope will suffer unless it is embraced. Who do you think you are insulting people who actually invest a lot of their spare time in the software and in the community? You being an annoying troll is helping no one, and it certainly won't get Windows builds done. Haha, just add him to your email blacklist, saves a lot of trouble ;-) For the record, the releases are not available because no-one is capable rather than motivated to produce them. Having built a couple, Windows releases are a royal PITA even if everything goes smoothly... Now Michael, unless you're prepared to build these releases yourself, I less than politely suggest you STFU... Chris PS: For the non-trolls on this list, I believe Sidnei da Silva is thinking about taking up this painful task... send him beer/love/money and he might be further persuaded... PPS: We all might also like to thank Tim Peters for doing such a good job of building Windows releases in the past that no-one noticed the delay between the source and binary release... -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2 for Windows
I think that volunteer to care was the crucial phrase with focus on the word 'care'. Now perhaps I read it the wrong way and I apologise if I did but Andreas has been very anti-Windows in the past. Perhaps the word 'ignorant' is slighty harsh. I still feel there is a lot of anti-Windows feeling and whilst I don't prefer the platform I feel it should be well supported. Perhaps Enfold could help with Zope Windows builds as they have done with Plone Windows builds which are fantastic? I have occasionally attempted to install separate Zope instances on Windows and have achieved that but obviously installers are the ultimate for exposure. On 10/12/06, Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11 Oct 2006, at 17:14, michael nt milne wrote: The windows builds will be available as soon as someone volunteer to care about the Windows platform. ignorant thinking. Most businesses use Windows and Zope will suffer unless it is embraced. Who do you think you are insulting people who actually invest a lot of their spare time in the software and in the community? You being an annoying troll is helping no one, and it certainly won't get Windows builds done.Haha, just add him to your email blacklist, saves a lot of trouble ;-) For the record, the releases are not available because no-one is capablerather than motivated to produce them.Having built a couple, Windows releases are a royal PITA even ifeverything goes smoothly... Now Michael, unless you're prepared to build these releases yourself, Iless than politely suggest you STFU...ChrisPS: For the non-trolls on this list, I believe Sidnei da Silva isthinking about taking up this painful task... send him beer/love/money and he might be further persuaded...PPS: We all might also like to thank Tim Peters for doing such a goodjob of building Windows releases in the past that no-one noticed thedelay between the source and binary release... --Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting- http://www.simplistix.co.uk___Zope maillist- Zope@zope.orghttp://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope** No cross posts or HTML encoding!**(Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )-- michael ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2 for Windows
--On 12. Oktober 2006 09:07:04 +0100 Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11 Oct 2006, at 17:14, michael nt milne wrote: The windows builds will be available as soon as someone volunteer to care about the Windows platform. ignorant thinking. Most businesses use Windows and Zope will suffer unless it is embraced. Who do you think you are insulting people who actually invest a lot of their spare time in the software and in the community? You being an annoying troll is helping no one, and it certainly won't get Windows builds done. Haha, just add him to your email blacklist, saves a lot of trouble ;-) For the record, the releases are not available because no-one is capable rather than motivated to produce them. Having built a couple, Windows releases are a royal PITA even if everything goes smoothly... Now Michael, unless you're prepared to build these releases yourself, I less than politely suggest you STFU... @Chris: what is STFU? @Michael: You're a numpty and a troll. If you don't know what 'numpty' means, see http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=numpty My posting did not contain a single line that I would not care about the Windows releases. In fact I have been after people like Christian Theune, Chris Withers and Tim Peters to provide Windows builds after releasing the source code distributions. In addition I asked some days ago on the zope-dev list about Windows maintainer problem. Since your contributions to the Zope and Plone world are just dumb and troll-compatible postings, please just shut up. You're not in the position to tell me that I would be ignorant on Windows. I am usually ignorant on Windows issues in general (for a variety of reasons) *but* I am trying to delegate the issue to other ppl. That's a big difference. Andreas pgpKgFwDakLXZ.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2 for Windows
Andreas Jung wrote: @Chris: what is STFU? Heh, I was trying to be polite, but hey, why change the habit of a lifetime? ;-) STFU = Shut The Fuck Up :-) Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2 for Windows
I thought you had blacklisted me out. I wish you had! :-)Since your contributions to the Zope and Plone world are just dumb I will bring back the word ignorant since that comment plainly is. And if you think I am a troll then the same word applies. I would suggest you look at yourself and think before you post. Over on the Plone list there have been several bust ups due to your attitude and many people have commented to my privately on your approace. I've been posting on Plone, receiving help, posting bugs and also helping others for over a year now. All totally constructive. People have also commented to me that my posts have been helpful and they have been. So I would take a look at yourself and think before you post. On 10/12/06, Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --On 12. Oktober 2006 09:07:04 +0100 Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11 Oct 2006, at 17:14, michael nt milne wrote: The windows builds will be available as soon as someone volunteer to care about the Windows platform. ignorant thinking. Most businesses use Windows and Zope will suffer unless it is embraced. Who do you think you are insulting people who actually invest a lot of their spare time in the software and in the community? You being an annoying troll is helping no one, and it certainly won't get Windows builds done. Haha, just add him to your email blacklist, saves a lot of trouble ;-) For the record, the releases are not available because no-one is capable rather than motivated to produce them. Having built a couple, Windows releases are a royal PITA even if everything goes smoothly... Now Michael, unless you're prepared to build these releases yourself, I less than politely suggest you STFU... @Chris: what is STFU?@Michael: You're a numpty and a troll.If you don't know what 'numpty' means, see http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=numpty My posting did not contain a single line that I would not care about theWindows releases. In fact I have been after people like Christian Theune,Chris Withers and Tim Peters to provideWindows builds after releasing the source code distributions. In addition I asked some days ago on the zope-dev list about Windows maintainer problem.Since your contributions to the Zope and Plone world are just dumb andtroll-compatible postings, please just shut up. You're not in the position to tell me that I would be ignorant on Windows. I am usuallyignorant onWindows issues in general (for a variety of reasons) *but* I am trying todelegate the issue to other ppl. That's a big difference. Andreas___Zope maillist-Zope@zope.orghttp://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding!**(Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )-- michael ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2 for Windows
same to you pal :-) since you started it. Water off a duck's back mate. On 10/12/06, michael nt milne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I thought you had blacklisted me out. I wish you had! :-) Since your contributions to the Zope and Plone world are just dumb I will bring back the word ignorant since that comment plainly is. And if you think I am a troll then the same word applies. I would suggest you look at yourself and think before you post. Over on the Plone list there have been several bust ups due to your attitude and many people have commented to my privately on your approace. I've been posting on Plone, receiving help, posting bugs and also helping others for over a year now. All totally constructive. People have also commented to me that my posts have been helpful and they have been. So I would take a look at yourself and think before you post. On 10/12/06, Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --On 12. Oktober 2006 09:07:04 +0100 Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11 Oct 2006, at 17:14, michael nt milne wrote: The windows builds will be available as soon as someone volunteer to care about the Windows platform. ignorant thinking. Most businesses use Windows and Zope will suffer unless it is embraced. Who do you think you are insulting people who actually invest a lot of their spare time in the software and in the community? You being an annoying troll is helping no one, and it certainly won't get Windows builds done. Haha, just add him to your email blacklist, saves a lot of trouble ;-) For the record, the releases are not available because no-one is capable rather than motivated to produce them. Having built a couple, Windows releases are a royal PITA even if everything goes smoothly... Now Michael, unless you're prepared to build these releases yourself, I less than politely suggest you STFU... @Chris: what is STFU?@Michael: You're a numpty and a troll.If you don't know what 'numpty' means, see http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=numpty My posting did not contain a single line that I would not care about theWindows releases. In fact I have been after people like Christian Theune,Chris Withers and Tim Peters to provideWindows builds after releasing the source code distributions. In addition I asked some days ago on the zope-dev list about Windows maintainer problem.Since your contributions to the Zope and Plone world are just dumb andtroll-compatible postings, please just shut up. You're not in the position to tell me that I would be ignorant on Windows. I am usuallyignorant onWindows issues in general (for a variety of reasons) *but* I am trying todelegate the issue to other ppl. That's a big difference. Andreas___Zope maillist- Zope@zope.orghttp://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding!**(Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )-- michael -- michael ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2 for Windows
your blacklist rule broken down has it? put it back please or I will have to.On 10/12/06, michael nt milne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:same to you pal :-) since you started it. Water off a duck's back mate. On 10/12/06, michael nt milne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I thought you had blacklisted me out. I wish you had! :-) Since your contributions to the Zope and Plone world are just dumb I will bring back the word ignorant since that comment plainly is. And if you think I am a troll then the same word applies. I would suggest you look at yourself and think before you post. Over on the Plone list there have been several bust ups due to your attitude and many people have commented to my privately on your approace. I've been posting on Plone, receiving help, posting bugs and also helping others for over a year now. All totally constructive. People have also commented to me that my posts have been helpful and they have been. So I would take a look at yourself and think before you post. On 10/12/06, Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --On 12. Oktober 2006 09:07:04 +0100 Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11 Oct 2006, at 17:14, michael nt milne wrote: The windows builds will be available as soon as someone volunteer to care about the Windows platform. ignorant thinking. Most businesses use Windows and Zope will suffer unless it is embraced. Who do you think you are insulting people who actually invest a lot of their spare time in the software and in the community? You being an annoying troll is helping no one, and it certainly won't get Windows builds done. Haha, just add him to your email blacklist, saves a lot of trouble ;-) For the record, the releases are not available because no-one is capable rather than motivated to produce them. Having built a couple, Windows releases are a royal PITA even if everything goes smoothly... Now Michael, unless you're prepared to build these releases yourself, I less than politely suggest you STFU... @Chris: what is STFU?@Michael: You're a numpty and a troll.If you don't know what 'numpty' means, see http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=numpty My posting did not contain a single line that I would not care about theWindows releases. In fact I have been after people like Christian Theune,Chris Withers and Tim Peters to provideWindows builds after releasing the source code distributions. In addition I asked some days ago on the zope-dev list about Windows maintainer problem.Since your contributions to the Zope and Plone world are just dumb andtroll-compatible postings, please just shut up. You're not in the position to tell me that I would be ignorant on Windows. I am usuallyignorant onWindows issues in general (for a variety of reasons) *but* I am trying todelegate the issue to other ppl. That's a big difference. Andreas___Zope maillist- Zope@zope.orghttp://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding!**(Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )-- michael -- michael -- michael ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2 for Windows
why don't YOU volunteer to do it? It seems that you are making money usingZope/Plone which is fine - but this would be a way to actually give somethingback to the community.I would be happy to do this. Yes I am making money using Plone and Zope but I could easily make money using a number of other platforms. I could also adandon working on implementing CMS and make good money in other areas. I am not restricted to working with it or on CMS. I find it interesting and I also think Plone is one of the best platforms I have seen with an excellent community and real vibrancy. Also in using the platform in a current installation I am creating good publicity for Plone and therefore Zope nationwide. This can only further the cause. When I get some extra time I would be happy to volunteer but I can't do both at the moment. My Plone sites take precedence.On 10/12/06, michael nt milne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: your blacklist rule broken down has it? put it back please or I will have to.On 10/12/06, michael nt milne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:same to you pal :-) since you started it. Water off a duck's back mate. On 10/12/06, michael nt milne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I thought you had blacklisted me out. I wish you had! :-) Since your contributions to the Zope and Plone world are just dumb I will bring back the word ignorant since that comment plainly is. And if you think I am a troll then the same word applies. I would suggest you look at yourself and think before you post. Over on the Plone list there have been several bust ups due to your attitude and many people have commented to my privately on your approace. I've been posting on Plone, receiving help, posting bugs and also helping others for over a year now. All totally constructive. People have also commented to me that my posts have been helpful and they have been. So I would take a look at yourself and think before you post. On 10/12/06, Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --On 12. Oktober 2006 09:07:04 +0100 Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11 Oct 2006, at 17:14, michael nt milne wrote: The windows builds will be available as soon as someone volunteer to care about the Windows platform. ignorant thinking. Most businesses use Windows and Zope will suffer unless it is embraced. Who do you think you are insulting people who actually invest a lot of their spare time in the software and in the community? You being an annoying troll is helping no one, and it certainly won't get Windows builds done. Haha, just add him to your email blacklist, saves a lot of trouble ;-) For the record, the releases are not available because no-one is capable rather than motivated to produce them. Having built a couple, Windows releases are a royal PITA even if everything goes smoothly... Now Michael, unless you're prepared to build these releases yourself, I less than politely suggest you STFU... @Chris: what is STFU?@Michael: You're a numpty and a troll.If you don't know what 'numpty' means, see http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=numpty My posting did not contain a single line that I would not care about theWindows releases. In fact I have been after people like Christian Theune,Chris Withers and Tim Peters to provideWindows builds after releasing the source code distributions. In addition I asked some days ago on the zope-dev list about Windows maintainer problem.Since your contributions to the Zope and Plone world are just dumb andtroll-compatible postings, please just shut up. You're not in the position to tell me that I would be ignorant on Windows. I am usuallyignorant onWindows issues in general (for a variety of reasons) *but* I am trying todelegate the issue to other ppl. That's a big difference. Andreas___Zope maillist- Zope@zope.orghttp://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding!**(Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )-- michael -- michael -- michael -- michael ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2 for Windows
On 10/12/06, michael nt milne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my privately on your approace. I've been posting on Plone, receiving help, posting bugs and also helping others for over a year now. All totally constructive. People have also commented to me that my posts have been helpful and they have been. well, unless my glasses distort my brain, none of your postings in this thread have been. basically, as almost always with something one receives without needing to pay for, we can be glad (and should be grateful)that there are people using THEIR OWN TIME for something what benefits us, too. and they can do with their own time what they want, and you can too, with yours. so stop whining, especially if you can't contribute with your own time or by funding one of the developers to do WHAT YOU WANT. Otoh, I don't think any of the developers will be sad If YOU stop using zope. Or even notice. --knitti ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2 for Windows
yes I get your general 'drift'. I am putting in my own time as much as I can just now promoting Plone and therefore Zope. And this will increase over time. To be honest I am more committed to Plone and the user base there. This thread was an example of a in-built bias against Windows which I have come up against time and time again but mainly on this list. We all know that Zope runs best on Unix but for the small to medium organisation running a server in house Windows is the platform of choice. Otoh, I don'tthink any of the developers will be sad If YOU stop using zope. Or evennotice.Obviously but that doesn't bother me a bit. On 10/12/06, knitti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/12/06, michael nt milne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my privately on your approace. I've been posting on Plone, receiving help, posting bugs and also helping others for over a year now. All totally constructive. People have also commented to me that my posts have been helpful and they have been.well, unless my glasses distort my brain, none of your postings in thisthread have been. basically, as almost always with something one receives without needing to pay for, we can be glad (and should begrateful)that there are people using THEIR OWN TIME for somethingwhat benefits us, too. and they can do with their own time what theywant, and you can too, with yours. so stop whining, especially if you can't contribute with your own time orby funding one of the developers to do WHAT YOU WANT. Otoh, I don'tthink any of the developers will be sad If YOU stop using zope. Or even notice.--knitti-- michael ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2 for Windows
On 10/12/06, michael nt milne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This thread was an example of a in-built bias against Windows which I have come up against time and time again but mainly on this list. We all know that Zope runs best on Unix but for the small to medium organisation running a server in house Windows is the platform of choice. I use Zope on WIndows for development sometimes too. But if none of the devolpers has Windows as a priority I have to live with that, because *I know* that whining doesn't do shit to increase motivation of a developer to invest time into an issue, if he or she has enough interesting things to do already. --knitti ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2 for Windows
No I get your point. I just feel that anti-windows feeling has to be flagged up. If not it gets endemnic and hopefully occasional pointers will feed in organically. Ultimately in OSS though people will do what they want and that is also part of the value. Finally I don't think I am 'whining' on this. CheersOn 10/12/06, knitti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On 10/12/06, michael nt milne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This thread was an example of a in-built bias against Windows which I have come up against time and time again but mainly on this list. We all know that Zope runs best on Unix but for the small to medium organisation running a server in house Windows is the platform of choice.I use Zope on WIndows for development sometimes too. But if none ofthe devolpers has Windows as a priority I have to live with that, because*I know* that whining doesn't do shit to increase motivation of a developer to invest time into an issue, if he or she has enough interesting things to doalready.--knitti-- michael ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2 for Windows
michael nt milne wrote at 2006-10-12 10:06 +0100: ... I still feel there is a lot of anti-Windows feeling and whilst I don't prefer the platform I feel it should be well supported. In fact, Windows is better supported than other platforms. But, unfortunately, its users need even much more support... While other platforms are happy with a source release, Windows users expect a binary release, because they neither want to pay MS for a compiler (good!) nor want to install the priceless Cygwin (which brings a compiler with it) and generate the executables themselves (as users of other platforms do). This indicates three options for you: 1. You volunteer to build the Windows binaries 2. You wait until another volunteer has build and provided the Windows binaries 3. You do as other platform users do it and build your own executables. -- Dieter ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2 for Windows
On 12/10/06, Dieter Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... nor want to install the priceless Cygwin (which brings a compiler with it) and generate the executables themselves (as users of other platforms do). Cygwin isn't mentioned in the windows install doc, and indeed a conscientious user such as myself my find Zope a insider posting You need either the Visual C++ Toolkit 2003 (not publicly available anymore) or Visual Studio .NET 2003 (http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.zope.plone.devel/12915 )- which discouraged me from trying a cygwin build... I already have a cygwin python after all, and build from source frequently on several platforms... it would work for my development, though perhaps a harder sell for my client's production. I read archives of a prior discussion mentioning the possibility of packaging a release from the nightly builds- can't find the builds available for d/l though. Here's my vote... oh and just found this recent discussion which indicates that the wheels are in motion: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/dev/202633 Sorry for inadvertently opening a thread that started some flames, the missing win executables looked like a simple oversight to me. In general I like platform-neutrality, and take as an article of faith that a wide range of supported platforms indicates quality code and thoughtful designers. It also makes pitching a project easier! ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Zope 2 for Windows
For the last week or two, only Zope 3 has been available to windows users for download from http://www.zope.org/Products - can the powers that be publish the win32 installers for 2.9.5/2.10.0? ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2 for Windows
The windows builds will be available as soon as someone volunteer to careabout the Windows platform.ignorant thinking. Most businesses use Windows and Zope will suffer unless it is embraced. On 10/11/06, Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --On 11. Oktober 2006 11:18:42 -0700 yary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the last week or two, only Zope 3 has been available to windows users for download from http://www.zope.org/Products - can the powers that be publish the win32 installers for 2.9.5/2.10.0?The windows builds will be available as soon as someone volunteer to care about the Windows platform.-aj___Zope maillist-Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope** No cross posts or HTML encoding!**(Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )-- michael ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2 for Windows
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11 Oct 2006, at 17:14, michael nt milne wrote: The windows builds will be available as soon as someone volunteer to care about the Windows platform. ignorant thinking. Most businesses use Windows and Zope will suffer unless it is embraced. Who do you think you are insulting people who actually invest a lot of their spare time in the software and in the community? You being an annoying troll is helping no one, and it certainly won't get Windows builds done. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFLW7/RAx5nvEhZLIRAvVzAKCRyMg8a1h47Wto8h2ozUnjnGIq4gCfXQtp 7jGlpaWBQ/VOEHbCmSezY5s= =1kb5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
