Natural Immunogenics did "test tube" tests...probably "borrowed" from the
University of Utah study.
Frank Key, the maker of MesoSilver tested for silver ions in the blood
after using ionic silver using an ion selective probe and found none.
However, he does have a means to determine total silver content in blood
samples and DIDN'T say that there was no silver, or what form it was or
wasn't in.
He also doesn't say that ionic silver doesn't work, just that it's the
particle portion that does the job. [Which implies that he found
particles..IF.. he looked and found anything]
Logically, given no ions, if it was silver chloride, saying so would
promote his product.
If it was pure silver particles, it wouldn't.
..proving a negative isn't possible, so he really is saying ...*nothing*
...and everything said ABOUT that nothing is speculation.
We know what happens to ions in a test tube, but not in the bodies
intelligent chemical soup along with metallo transport proteins and such.
A theory does exists [unproven] that ions and particles work together to
make *particles* in the blood, out of ions.
ANY ion exchange route is "possible".
Also that "particles" are subject to ionization.
"Where" Silver Chloride can form, other than in a test tube that excludes
myriads of other factors, is up in the air.
Do "particles" ionize to kill germs? [ probably so ]
Virtually any silver compound will kill germs, some better than others in
a given environment.
But what about that "intelligent soup" environment ?
What works...works.
That's ALL we "know".
Ode
At 06:46 PM 8/23/2009 +0100, you wrote:
I have been lead to believe that 80% ionic to 20% colloidal is the best
percentages to have. Trem has provided an article which claims
that Natural Immunogenics (who make Argentyn 23) actually did in vitro
tests that proved that ionic is the most efficaceous. This is the mix
that most of us make on this list I believe, to consume on a regular basis
that is. This is the mix that works for me and all the other people I
supply. I think that Argentyn 23 is outrageously expensive too though. dee
On 23 Aug 2009, at 17:04, Norton, Steve wrote:
Argentyn 23 is a fine ionic silver but I would not consider it the best
value.
First, the price is $36 for 8 oz. IMO that is high. You can make your own
for about 1/100 of that.
Second, the high ionic content, 95%, is too high. Some ionic content is
very desireable but, again IMO, you should try to keep it to less than
60% if possible. If you make your own EIS you can increase the percentage
of silver particles to as much as 60 % by adding a small amount of
hydrogen peroxide to the EIS you make. I should let you know that ionic
silver vs silver particles is a controversial subject.
If you choose to buy colloidal or ionic silver rather than make your own
several other good alternative sources for colloidal silver (high silver
particle content) are:
* Utopia Silver - $24 for 8 oz @ 20 ppm
* Mesosilver - $25 for 8 oz @ 20 ppm
- Steve N
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