Marshall, As always, I appreciate your comments and correction of my errors. And my errors are numerous.I did some more searching. There is little research data on metallic silver that I could find except for inhaled silver which would probably be converted to silver ions before assimilation into the bloodstream. I found a lot of web pages that state that colloidal silver is removed by the kidneys but could find no supporting studies.
I did find the following reference to a JAMA article: "Colloidal silver and other similar substances have been proved to be removed from the blood by the. Kupffer cells in the liver. ... jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/reprint/84/13/939.pdf" And this put out by Stephen Quinto: "Stable, pure, and fine silver particles are more likely to be eliminated first through bile and then secondly through normal kidney excretion" http://www.natural-immunogenics.com/pdf/SS-White%20Technical%20Paper%200 02-SafetyInformation-01-23-033.pdf There are a number of studies supporting particle removal by Kupffer cells in the liver in general but not specific to silver. Can you point me to something supporting colloidal silver removal by the kidneys? Thanks, Steve -----Original Message----- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:54 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Silver/Autism/Safety But when added to the data fro Frank Key that after ingesting CS, there is no trace of silver ions in the blood, I believe your analysis is incorrect. I believe that silver ions are primarily removed by the liver, not the kidneys. Colloidal silver is removed by the kidneys. Thus if you take silver compounds, there is no colloidal component, and 99% is removed by the liver. If you take colloidal silver the ionic silver portion that makes it into the blood plates out onto the colloidal particles ( the normal well known photographic development process ), leaving no ionic silver to be measured in the blood, but producing 100% colloid in the blood. Then this is removed by the kidneys. If you assume that about 80% of the silver is absorbed into the blood stream, that leaves about 20% remaining in the digestive tract, which is then eventually eliminated in the feces. Marshall Norton, Steve wrote: > My opinion is not just based on a simplistic assumption as you have > stated. It is actually based on the test results posted at: > http://www.silvermedicine.org/altmanstudy.html > > Those test results are striking in one important way. If you take a > look at the scientific studies that have measured silver excretion, > those studies show that about 99% of silver is excreted through the > feces and 1% through the urine. However, none of those studies used > EIS as the silver source. > > But if you look at the Roger Altman test where EIS was used, roughly > 79% of the silver was excreted in the urine and 21% in the feces. So > the question you have to ask is why the extreme difference in > excretion paths for EIS vs. other forms of ingested silver? The > primary difference in EIS as the silver source and other silver > sources is the silver ions in the EIS. Now note that the amount of > silver excreted in the urine is about what you might expect as the > ionic portion of the EIS. I think it is a reasonable assumption that > it is the ionic silver that is excreting in the urine. > > The next question is why? Now I admit that this next leap of logic is > open to other possibilities. But I think it is either because silver > chloride is processed out through the kidneys same as the body would > excrete excess sodium chloride or potassium chloride. Or it could be > because the silver chloride is removed by the kidneys because it is in > the form of insoluble silver chloride particles due to the low > solubility of silver chloride in water. > > While one may question whether silver ions and HCl form AgCl in the > stomach, I think that it is the highest probability reaction and > speculating on some other unknown conclusion is the unlikely solution. > > Whatever the source of the silver in the urine, one other interesting > point is that it must be formed in the body before assimilation into > the blood and remains unchanged until excretion. If it was formed > while in the bloodstream then you would expect to see other sources of > silver, especially metallic silver, also form the same compound. But > they do not because for other sources of silver less than 1% of the > silver is excreted in the urine. > > - Steve N > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Malcolm [mailto:s...@asis.com] > Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:19 AM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>Silver/Autism/Safety > > YES! > Edzackly. It's way too simplistic to assume that because we can (do) > form silver chloride from ionic or even micro-particulate EIS silver > in a jar, that that is what is happening in the mammal stomach, or > blood, or lymph. How silver is bound, or transported in living tissue > is largely unknown; how ANY metal is moved about inside us, why > certain metals concentrate in certain tissues - all are questions with > poorly defined answers. > Take care, > Malcolm > > On Mon, 2009-08-24 at 08:32 -0400, Ode Coyote wrote: > >> Natural Immunogenics did "test tube" tests...probably "borrowed" from >> the University of Utah study. >> Frank Key, the maker of MesoSilver tested for silver ions in the >> blood after using ionic silver using an ion selective probe and found >> > none. > >> However, he does have a means to determine total silver content in >> blood samples and DIDN'T say that there was no silver, or what form >> it >> > > >> was or wasn't in. >> He also doesn't say that ionic silver doesn't work, just that it's >> the particle portion that does the job. [Which implies that he found >> particles..IF.. he looked and found anything] >> >> Logically, given no ions, if it was silver chloride, saying so would >> promote his product. >> If it was pure silver particles, it wouldn't. >> >> ..proving a negative isn't possible, so he really is saying >> ...*nothing* ...and everything said ABOUT that nothing is speculation. >> >> We know what happens to ions in a test tube, but not in the bodies >> intelligent chemical soup along with metallo transport proteins and >> > such. > >> A theory does exists [unproven] that ions and particles work >> together to make *particles* in the blood, out of ions. >> ANY ion exchange route is "possible". >> >> Also that "particles" are subject to ionization. >> >> "Where" Silver Chloride can form, other than in a test tube that >> excludes myriads of other factors, is up in the air. >> Do "particles" ionize to kill germs? [ probably so ] >> >> Virtually any silver compound will kill germs, some better than >> others in a given environment. >> But what about that "intelligent soup" environment ? >> >> What works...works. >> That's ALL we "know". >> >> >> Ode >> >> > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com> > > > > > > >
