The adult male has 5 -6 litres of blood circulating throughout the body, an adult female 4 - 5 litres. 250ml of 20ppm ionic CS when diluted by 5 litres of blood will have a concentration of 1ppm given the unlikely event of 100% absorption. One should suppose that ionic silver will also react with various constituents of the blood plasma to some degree, so there is not much of a margin (if any) if one can read only to 0.4ppm. Many Ion Selective Electrodes will not read correctly in the presence of Sulphides or Sulphates, both of which are present in blood plasma. Does Sodium Heparin react with silver ions?
I don't think this test is reliable. Ivan. > -----Original Message----- > From: Frank Key [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, 3 March 2003 3:51 a.m. > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: CS>Anthrax Comment - mesosilver > > > Malcolm wrote: > > > Hi Catherine, I think it would be worthwhile for you to > clarify and > delimit > > your blanket approval of "this" to one or several of the > statements and/or > > dependent implications Frank Key makes in the first > paragraph you quoted; > > you can nit-pick it as well as I, the first three > sentences alone (not in > > isolation, but merely) are a minefield of invalid assertion and > implication. > > Further, I am curious as to the validity of whatever > tests were done to > > show the presence or absence of silver ions in the > bloodstream: where in > > the bloodstream, after what period of time, detected by > what methodology > of > > what sensitivity, after how long a period of rest or > analysis of the > > sample, replicated or not, peer reviewed or not. > > Silver ions in blood can be measured using an Ion Selective > Electrode (ISE) > for silver along with an ISE meter. > > * Blood is drawn from the subject using an 18 gauge > Vacutainer needle taken > from the antecubital space (inside of the elbow) into 10 mL > vacuum vials. > The Vacutainer vials contain sodium heparin as an anticoagulant. > * Blood is drawn before ingestion of ionic silver to get a baseline > (background) reading. > * Subject then ingests 250 mL of ionic silver solution at a > concentration of > 20 ppm. > * After ingestion draw blood samples at 30 minute intervals > for four hours. > * ISE silver electrode has a minimum detection limit of > about 0.4 ppm. > > Process the blood sample as follows: > > 1. Draw 10 mL blood sample using a Vacutainer with heparin. > 2. Separate the red/white cells from the blood serum by > centrifugation. > 3. Test the serum using the ISE. > > Reading on ISE over several hours do not change measurable > above background. > > Note: The ISE will only detect the presence of silver ions, > not silver > compounds or silver particles. > > frank key > > > > > > > > > >Further, what is the > > record on the presence of silver compounds such as the > much maligned > silver > > chloride following ionic silver injection into the blood > stream, or other > > tissues, and so on. Perhaps Frank can cast some light on > these questions > > for you and me in his proof of the deceitfulness of petri dish > > research(ers), perhaps not. > > After all, there is the well documented work of Dr. R.O. > Becker who > > introduced ionic silver directly into tissues to > eliminate bacterial > > infections, did it simply turn into silver chloride, and > everyone forgot > to > > mention that, or is the sea of other fluids of our body > so drastically > > deficient in their hungry chloride ion concentration? > > What about Argentum Medical corporation's work with both > metallic and > > ionic "colloidal" silver? The much maligned petri dish > evidence was used > > by them in their development of eminently successful in > vivo therapies for > > which they have acquired FDA approval as well as patents; > just a fluke of > > luck for bumbling fools, or are they perhaps deliberately > misleading > > themselves as well as all of us? I think not. The record > speaks well for > > the beneficial effects of ionic "colloidal" silver in > vivo, blood-borne or > > otherwise, and for the use of in vitro research > protocols. The same > cannot > > be said for Mr. Key's rhetorical flamboyance. > > Take care, Malcolm > > > > > > > > At 07:59 PM 3/1/03 -0800, you wrote: > > > > >Frank said: > > > > > ><<Killing power of ionic silver in a Petri dish may be > interesting but it > > >has nothing what so ever to do with how it will behave > inside the human > > >body. All such studies fail to ever mention that fact, > and in fact leave > the > > >reader with the false impression that it would work just > as well inside > the > > >body. Nothing could be farther from the truth. If the > studies were > intended > > >to be an honest representation of how ionic silver can > kill pathogens in > the > > >body, the environment of the Petri dish would have to > simulate conditions > in > > >the body. Without the chloride being present their in the test > environment, > > >the test is scientifically flawed and misleading in the extreme>> > > > > > > > > >** I have to agree with Frank on this. > > > > > > > > > I'm a big fan of and advocate for CS. But I think > that each time > claims > > >are made that are unfounded the more ammunition we give > to those who wish > to > > >shut down the CS business. > > > > > > I'm not saying others were being intentionally > deceitful, but were > more > > >likely repeating misinformation they heard. I find this > almost as > offensive > > >as being deceitful. IMO, it represents intellectual > laziness/disinterest > > >with more interest in selling than in selling something > appropriate for > a > > >particular use. > > > > > > > > >Regards, > > >Catherine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of > colloidal silver. > > > > > >Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > > >To post, address your message to: [email protected] > > > >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > >List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > >--- > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.445 / Virus Database: 250 - Release Date: 1/21/03 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ ---- > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.445 / Virus Database: 250 - Release Date: 1/21/03 >
