Thank you Frank, this is straight. What about looking for the eventual
fate of these ions, and considering the dilution factor of 250 mL of 20 ppm
into some 6000 mL of blood volume, average human capacity:
Even if ALL the ingested ions were to make it into the blood stream in one
moment, and remain in the circulatory system without alteration, removal or
inactivation of any sort - the dilution factor alone would put any
measurement right at the lower edge of detectability, < 1 ppm. Since it is
extremely unlikely that all the ions would appear and/or remain available
within the blood only, en-masse, the experiment as stated here would be
invalid as a determinant of ANY fate of ionic silver in the human system.
Take care, Malcolm
At 09:51 AM 3/2/03 -0500, you wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
> Hi Catherine, I think it would be worthwhile for you to clarify and
delimit
> your blanket approval of "this" to one or several of the statements and/or
> dependent implications Frank Key makes in the first paragraph you quoted;
> you can nit-pick it as well as I, the first three sentences alone (not in
> isolation, but merely) are a minefield of invalid assertion and
implication.
> Further, I am curious as to the validity of whatever tests were done to
> show the presence or absence of silver ions in the bloodstream: where in
> the bloodstream, after what period of time, detected by what methodology
of
> what sensitivity, after how long a period of rest or analysis of the
> sample, replicated or not, peer reviewed or not.
Silver ions in blood can be measured using an Ion Selective Electrode (ISE)
for silver along with an ISE meter.
* Blood is drawn from the subject using an 18 gauge Vacutainer needle taken
from the antecubital space (inside of the elbow) into 10 mL vacuum vials.
The Vacutainer vials contain sodium heparin as an anticoagulant.
* Blood is drawn before ingestion of ionic silver to get a baseline
(background) reading.
* Subject then ingests 250 mL of ionic silver solution at a concentration of
20 ppm.
* After ingestion draw blood samples at 30 minute intervals for four hours.
* ISE silver electrode has a minimum detection limit of about 0.4 ppm.
Process the blood sample as follows:
1. Draw 10 mL blood sample using a Vacutainer with heparin.
2. Separate the red/white cells from the blood serum by centrifugation.
3. Test the serum using the ISE.
Reading on ISE over several hours do not change measurable above background.
Note: The ISE will only detect the presence of silver ions, not silver
compounds or silver particles.
frank key
>Further, what is the
> record on the presence of silver compounds such as the much maligned
silver
> chloride following ionic silver injection into the blood stream, or other
> tissues, and so on. Perhaps Frank can cast some light on these questions
> for you and me in his proof of the deceitfulness of petri dish
> research(ers), perhaps not.
> After all, there is the well documented work of Dr. R.O. Becker who
> introduced ionic silver directly into tissues to eliminate bacterial
> infections, did it simply turn into silver chloride, and everyone forgot
to
> mention that, or is the sea of other fluids of our body so drastically
> deficient in their hungry chloride ion concentration?
> What about Argentum Medical corporation's work with both metallic and
> ionic "colloidal" silver? The much maligned petri dish evidence was used
> by them in their development of eminently successful in vivo therapies for
> which they have acquired FDA approval as well as patents; just a fluke of
> luck for bumbling fools, or are they perhaps deliberately misleading
> themselves as well as all of us? I think not. The record speaks well for
> the beneficial effects of ionic "colloidal" silver in vivo, blood-borne or
> otherwise, and for the use of in vitro research protocols. The same
cannot
> be said for Mr. Key's rhetorical flamboyance.
> Take care, Malcolm
>
>
>
> At 07:59 PM 3/1/03 -0800, you wrote:
>
> >Frank said:
> >
> ><<Killing power of ionic silver in a Petri dish may be interesting but it
> >has nothing what so ever to do with how it will behave inside the human
> >body. All such studies fail to ever mention that fact, and in fact leave
the
> >reader with the false impression that it would work just as well inside
the
> >body. Nothing could be farther from the truth. If the studies were
intended
> >to be an honest representation of how ionic silver can kill pathogens in
the
> >body, the environment of the Petri dish would have to simulate conditions
in
> >the body. Without the chloride being present their in the test
environment,
> >the test is scientifically flawed and misleading in the extreme>>
> >
> >
> >** I have to agree with Frank on this.
> >
> >
> > I'm a big fan of and advocate for CS. But I think that each time
claims
> >are made that are unfounded the more ammunition we give to those who wish
to
> >shut down the CS business.
> >
> > I'm not saying others were being intentionally deceitful, but were
more
> >likely repeating misinformation they heard. I find this almost as
offensive
> >as being deceitful. IMO, it represents intellectual laziness/disinterest
> >with more interest in selling than in selling something appropriate for
a
> >particular use.
> >
> >
> >Regards,
> >Catherine
> >
> >
> >
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