Re: CS>FerroFluids
From: Marshall Dudley
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 08:46:44
> I still don't know how you can say this.
I follow the ideal, Marshall, of Mike Devour, who took over the
Silver Lists "to promote and encourage discussions on colloidal
silver, to identify and counter the hype, myths and propaganda that
surround the subject of Colloidal Silver, and to study the art and
science of Colloidal Silver production, testing, and use, so
newcomers and experienced members alike will have the widest
possible range of choices with reasonable certainty of success and
minimum cost."
Unlike you, Marshall, I have no commercial interest in the
production of colloidal silver, and I have no preconceived notions
of how the cs process works. I don't really care - I'm just
interested in making the best cs possible. But in order to do so, I
must first understand it.
As we age, our immune system starts to degrade, and the 10 ppm cs
from the typical 3 nines may not work as well as it did. For
example, Sol just went through a 4-week cold that her cs didn't
touch, and she is now busy making stronger cs. I expect to see more
of this phenomenon as the group ages. You may be next.
Most people do not die of old age. They get an infection that their
immune system cannot handle, and the toxins overwhelm the body
functions. Superman just died of bedsores. My mother is getting
older, and her unusually good health is starting to fade. I do not
want to see her die of a plain cold.
We also face extremely dangerous viruses such as SARS or West Nile,
and doctors say the next major epidemic is only a matter of time.
Medical science has no answer, except to give steroids that turn
human bones into peanut butter. I believe cs is our only hope, but
10 ppm probably won't work for someone who is already weakened by
infections.
Due to the shortsighted use of antibiotics, our environment now has
extremely dangerous antibiotic-resistant bacteria, such as ecoli,
tuberculosis, streptococcus, and plain staf bacteria that can turn
into necrotizing fasciitis (flesh-eating bacteria). It is a rare
infection but debilitating or lethal to the victims.
Cassi Moore is a beautiful young lady who turned into a tragic
example of the brutal stupidity of doctors who can inflict extreme
harm while treating something they know nothing about, and have no
resources to fight back. Her experience should be part of your
knowledge of the current state of medical science.
Warning: the following link contains descriptions and photos of
human suffering that you may wish you never saw.
http://www.nnff.org/survivors/cassi_moore/cassi.htm
I believe high-ppm cs could influence the outcome of these
infections, if given in time. But it must be available when it is
needed, and it must be the best ionic cs we can make. Marv's
experiment described below shows that particulate cs is simply not
effective. Silver ions are the only thing that works against
bacteria and viruses.
Marv Hacker's milk tests showed there was something seriously wrong
with the understanding of how particulate cs kills bacteria. It
simply doesn't work:
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Re: CS>CS in the fridge?
From: Marv Hacker
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 07:30:32
http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60724.html
Hi, Jason,
The only objective evidence that I have, is in support of your
position that Ionic Silver has the greater pathogen-killing power
(outside of the body).
I did the "Milk Test", comparing a product containing mostly Ionic
Silver with one that is mostly sub-nanometer Silver Particles, with
an unadulterated sample. Placing four liquid ounces of milk
(pasteurized and homogenized, where the "use by" date was more that
a week into the future) from the same carton into three glasses,
then adding a teaspoon from each of the two Silver products into two
different glasses.
After four days:
the untreated glass contained a solidified sour (stinky)
substance.
the glass treated with the mostly-Particulate Silver product was
partially solidified, and had some odor.
the glass treated with the mostly-Ionic Silver product was liquid,
and there was no bad smell.
To me, this indicates that Silver Ions are better at preserving milk
than Silver Particles. It also suggests, to me, that Ionic Silver
would have more "pathogen-killing power" than the Particulate Silver
product, when used outside the human body (topically).
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Another example, someone with a compromised immune system, such as
myself and many others on the list, 10 ppm cs simply won't work
anymore. In my case, mold toxins have demolished my body's ability
to identify and properly respond to invaders, and it attacks the
wrong things. I need cs to survive infections and to help repair the
damage my system inflicts. I could not live without it. But the 3
nines stuff is useless for me. It doesn't work anymore.
Some time earlier, I undertook studies to discover the process
behind colloidal silver, and I made many innovative and useful
experiments which are now recorded in the Silver archives.
Among these are the ULVDV posts, the importance of current density
at the electrodes, the "Making Ions Visible" posts, the "Constant
Current Generator with High Voltage Compliance", the Godzilla cs
generator, the "High PPM Measurements", the Faraday equations, the
Mercury equation solver, understanding the Nernst Diffusion layer,
the basic cs equations, etc. I believe my contributions to the
current understanding of the cs process are well recognized.
These studies led to a basic understanding of the cs process. The
following is a copy of previous posts which you have read:
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The particles are various forms of oxides and are generated in the
Nernst diffusion layer next to the electrodes. Here are the basic
equations:
At the anode, a silver atom gives up an electron to become an ion.
Ag(s) - e --> Ag(+)
At the cathode, water dissociates and hydrogen ions accept electrons
to form hydrogen gas:
H2O --> H(+) + OH(-)
2H(+) + 2e --> H2(g)
So for every silver ion, one hydroxyl ion is produced.
The ions diffuse throughout the solution, mainly by convection
currents. I posted two experiments earlier that show how to make
these ions visible:
CS> Making Ions Visible
http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m61491.html
Re: CS> Making Ions Visible
http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m61527.html
The significance of these experiments is that the two ion clouds
passed through each other without combining to form oxides. The
reason is the ions have to be very close to each other and headed
almost directly towards each other before they will combine. This
requires a very high density of ions to give a reasonable
probability they will combine. The only place this occurs is in the
Nernst Diffusion layer close to each electrode.
When the ion concentration of both species is high enough, the
silver ions combine with the hydroxyl ions to form silver oxides.
There are at least two paths:
Path #1:
One silver ion combines with one hydroxyl ion to form silver
hydroxide:
Ag(+) + OH(-) --> AgOH (silver hydroxide)
The silver hydroxide dissociates to form silver oxide particles:
2AgOH --> Ag2O + H2O (silver oxide)
Path #2:
Two silver ions combine with two hydroxyl ions to form silver oxide:
2Ag(+) + 2OH(-) --> Ag2O + H2O
This shows why high current density produces more oxide content. The
Nernst diffusion layer is more concentrated at high current density.
It also shows why reversing electrode polarity and using AC instead
of DC produces so much oxide. When the polarity reverses, the Nernst
diffusion layer already has a high concentration of the opposite
species, so oxide formation begins immediately.
When you add H2O2 to the resulting solution, some of the oxide is
converted back to ions:
Ag2O + H2O2 --> 2Ag(+) + O2 + H2O
2AgOH + H2O2 --> 2Ag(+) + O2 + 2H2O
This increases the effectiveness since more silver ions are
available to kill bugs.
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Once a silver atom gives up an electron and becomes an ion, it can't
get it back. Electrons do not flow in water.
Marshall, unless you can provide an equation that shows how a silver
ion can become a neutral atom in a solution that contains only
distilled water plus silver and hydroxyl ions, there is no question
of the particles being the various forms of silver oxides described
above.
If you have a different explanation, Marshall, please give us the
equations to support your claims. Without your equations, there can
be no question of the particles being silver oxide as I describe
above.
Here is the rest of your post:
> The data contradicts it.
You provide no equations. Without them any talk is wishful thinking.
> Silver oxide dissolves in water, that means there are no
> particles, so how can the particles of anything be silver oxide,
> it would be a solution?
I believe your chem book solubility figures are wrong.
> If you exceed the solubility limit of silver oxide then it will
> form a tan colored precipitate, which precipitates out in a matter
> of hours,
Silver oxide is a dark black substance that forms on the electrodes
within seconds of exceeding the local Nernst limit of current
density.
> so how can particles that last for years be silver oxide.
Non sequitur. Silver oxide lasts for years in your clock battery.
> Simple fact is that they cannot. Also as the particles get bigger
> they absorb in the light spectrum exactly as documents indicate
> they should vs size, which proves that they are silver particles.
Marshall, wishing they were silver does not make it so.
Tyndall works with any particle, including oxides. Just because you
get a Tyndall response, it doesn't mean the particles are silver.
They could be ordinary room dust.
Marshall, the particle wars are over. They are oxides. Ions rule.
Best Wishes,
Mike Monett
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