Joy,
You have grossly misread my posts. I use precise language and references but I am just as intuitive, alternative and open as anyone. Guess you just perceived what you feared and did not open your mind to other meanings of my words. A common flaw in the internet medium because you can not read my voice inflection, ask questions on the fly or follow my thoughts. Nenah was at the same time describing toxicities of ozone then denying that it has toxicities in the same breath. That is why I posted exact definitions and references. As well why I felt so strongly about the kind of debate Nenah was trying to present. I am well versed in the art of debate and know both sides of the alt medicine VS traditional science debate, in fact often have been on both sides. Pointing out that her degree is not from an accredited university is important, and is not character assasination because it indicates her level of education and ethics. In her bio it does not mention that she has a bachelors or a masters but somehow presents herself as having a doctorate. As well I recognize what she said about not being a practitioner and mention authors and those that present information as if they have the background to be able to discern the nuances of a topic. Yet when I asked how she verifies the purity of her products she defers to intuition and experience. Well folks that is all well and good, I do the same but I certainly do not try to discredit toxicity testing or knowledge of the actual constituents of a product as being unnecessary in light of my intuitive read. Indeed any medical intuitive worth their salt welcomes the opportunity to check their work and does not deny the possibility of their reading being less than 100%, particularly in regards to a high risk situation. The one up manship is your interpretation. I do consider myself a watch-dog and will protect the unknowing like a mommie rottweiler if you will. I am not ashamed to say that I can be a real beach when called out in the way that Nenah challenge my assertion that ozone is risky. She never acknowledged that I said it could be of benefit, instead tried to make it a black and white issue. She talks the talk but does she walk the walk is what you have to ask. Garnet On Thu, 2004-11-25 at 17:12, Joy wrote: > I agree that putting the information out there, each person's > opinions/information/ideas, yes this is important and valuable. > However, what I don't need or want is the kind of oneuponeship that > Garnet seems to need to do on this issue. It may be a hot button issue > for her, or perhaps she just has specific trigger points with Nenah, as > they seem to ahve a history of sorts. Either way, there seems to be a > need to say 'I'm right", "You're wrong" in the nastiest kind of way. > And no, she didn't she the right/wrong words, but that is clearly the > message. Not only was Nenah "wrong" in her ideas, her method of > prioritizing the importance of informatin and ideas, but "wrong" inhow > she said it, what words she used, > and was accused of harming others, when she is not even an ozone > practitioner - something she said several times, but it was ignored and > the same accusation made repeatedly by Garnet. I used to have a lot of > respect for Garnet. I no longer do, and will not engage in dialogue > with her further. Such nastiness is not a help to anyone or any idea. > For the most part, from my perspective, both Garnet and Nenah were > mostly saying the same things, in different words, but Garnet couldn't > accept Nenah's vocabulay, needed to make it wrong, and attack Nenah in > the process. THAT is completely unproductive to me. An in depth > exploration of the differences could be productive. Mindless triggered > attacks are not, and that is what Garnet's posts felt like to me. > The informative back and forth CAN be done without attack. Garnet's > were not. She brushes that off with the excuse that that is what she > does, how she is, and references values issues. How is attacking > another any kind of expression of values? > > Is care needed with ozone? Yes. Does one need to be informed? Yes. > They agreed on this, but Garnet needed to insist that ozone is toxic, as > is almost anything in wrong use - even the purest water is "toxic " - > dangerous to health if you drink too much of it too fast. But she > doesn't insist that anyone call water toxic. Garent seems to need to > have everything credentialed up the wazoo or its not worth anything, or > that is how it comes across. From my perspective, a lot of the worst > informati0n out there comes from the credentialed experts, who are so > stuck in their own pov's - as is Garnet on this issue - that they can't > see the forest for the trees. Look at what we have to put up with in > terms of cs, from the mainstream "experts" . And will offer you all > kinds of research and analytical data to back up their pov, which they > call the facts. But ignore the other research and sources of > information, including - from my perspective - each person's ability to > literally "hear" and "know" that which their own > body needs and wants to move towards health. For me, what my body needs > changes from hour to hour and day to day and month to month. Its not a > fixed, this is good, this is bad. I've needed to disabuse myself of a > ton of judgements/beliefs along the way that I held for fact - including > lots of information from the alternative med world. From my > perspective, their are likely patterns of healthful options and > nonhealth options to consider, and the "factual" information out there > can help me notice such - but in the final say, each of us is the only > expertI or lack thereof) on our own body and health. Putting any set of > facts - or any set of experts - above my own body's knowing is a path > of unhealth for me. Joy > > sol wrote: > > > I absolutely disagree. The argument (used in the philosophical sense) > > back and forth between Garnet and Nenah has been very productive for > > me personally. > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: [email protected] > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: [email protected] > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> >
