I agree that putting the information out there, each person's
opinions/information/ideas, yes this is important and valuable.
However, what I don't need or want is the kind of oneuponeship that
Garnet seems to need to do on this issue. It may be a hot button issue
for her, or perhaps she just has specific trigger points with Nenah, as
they seem to ahve a history of sorts. Either way, there seems to be a
need to say 'I'm right", "You're wrong" in the nastiest kind of way.
And no, she didn't she the right/wrong words, but that is clearly the
message. Not only was Nenah "wrong" in her ideas, her method of
prioritizing the importance of informatin and ideas, but "wrong" inhow
she said it, what words she used,
and was accused of harming others, when she is not even an ozone
practitioner - something she said several times, but it was ignored and
the same accusation made repeatedly by Garnet. I used to have a lot of
respect for Garnet. I no longer do, and will not engage in dialogue
with her further. Such nastiness is not a help to anyone or any idea.
For the most part, from my perspective, both Garnet and Nenah were
mostly saying the same things, in different words, but Garnet couldn't
accept Nenah's vocabulay, needed to make it wrong, and attack Nenah in
the process. THAT is completely unproductive to me. An in depth
exploration of the differences could be productive. Mindless triggered
attacks are not, and that is what Garnet's posts felt like to me.
The informative back and forth CAN be done without attack. Garnet's
were not. She brushes that off with the excuse that that is what she
does, how she is, and references values issues. How is attacking
another any kind of expression of values?
Is care needed with ozone? Yes. Does one need to be informed? Yes.
They agreed on this, but Garnet needed to insist that ozone is toxic, as
is almost anything in wrong use - even the purest water is "toxic " -
dangerous to health if you drink too much of it too fast. But she
doesn't insist that anyone call water toxic. Garent seems to need to
have everything credentialed up the wazoo or its not worth anything, or
that is how it comes across. From my perspective, a lot of the worst
informati0n out there comes from the credentialed experts, who are so
stuck in their own pov's - as is Garnet on this issue - that they can't
see the forest for the trees. Look at what we have to put up with in
terms of cs, from the mainstream "experts" . And will offer you all
kinds of research and analytical data to back up their pov, which they
call the facts. But ignore the other research and sources of
information, including - from my perspective - each person's ability to
literally "hear" and "know" that which their own
body needs and wants to move towards health. For me, what my body needs
changes from hour to hour and day to day and month to month. Its not a
fixed, this is good, this is bad. I've needed to disabuse myself of a
ton of judgements/beliefs along the way that I held for fact - including
lots of information from the alternative med world. From my
perspective, their are likely patterns of healthful options and
nonhealth options to consider, and the "factual" information out there
can help me notice such - but in the final say, each of us is the only
expertI or lack thereof) on our own body and health. Putting any set of
facts - or any set of experts - above my own body's knowing is a path
of unhealth for me. Joy
sol wrote:
I absolutely disagree. The argument (used in the philosophical sense)
back and forth between Garnet and Nenah has been very productive for
me personally.
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