That's good to hear. Look forward to this being contributed back and I'm sure we'll welcome it as a contrib, we just need to make sure it's clear that these are 2 different ACD options (maybe the old one is to be called Basic ACD and the openACD is called Call Center).
If it still works and there's somebody who can maintain it, there's good reason to still have it available. From an eZuce perspective, we just didn't have anybody to maintain/learn it and wanted to put our efforts into something more robust. Every time I've tried to use the old ACD system (and I admit I have not used it in 4.4 because of issues I had with it prior and no real dev has been done on it) I got burned, hard. You know the old saying... fool me once... i'm not that quick sometimes and i hit fool me 4 times. Then I swore off it like a booze you blame the porcelain embrace on. My point about not needing ACD wasn't that true ACD users don't need ACD. My point was that many people who 'think' they want ACD don't really want an ACD, they want a fancy hunt group. Mike On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Matt White <[email protected]>wrote: > I've often heard it cited that the old ACD cant transfer out of the > queue. I think this is based on very old info....pre 4.2 days. We have no > less than hundreds of calls (if not thousands) across several customers > sites sending calls into queues and back out to non ACD extensions. ACD > has preformed very well for us and is very stable (i cant think of one ACD > related crash/issue). When it comes to transferring out of the queue, I'd > say our heaviest call center customer that has 23 agents and processes no > less than 800 calls a day will transfer 50% of the calls from and agent out > of the queue to a regular extension. They even transfer ACD calls back out > to external numbers (hairpins). > > In fact, we have a customer that has some pretty complex call flow in and > out of the ACD. > Calls come into the queue. If its not answered it overflows out to an AA > where they get custom options to keep holding etc. they then get > transferred back into a second ACD queue. This happens multiple times. > Siptraces are quite long because each call stays anchored in the queue > which is great for reporting. > > Hunt groups do not provide was call centers want. Call center managers > need to run reports based on when an agent signed in/out; how long did they > talk; how long did they ring; how long are customers waiting in queues and > how many customers are stacking up in queues.... > > The distinctive tone as noted in this original thread and modified caller > id are also part of that need. > > Hunt groups just dont preform these functions (if they did, they would be > an ACD and not a hunt group). > > So for us, the bulk of our installations are call centers. As VOIP/SIP > becomes more common place its increasingly difficult to sell something that > just does call routing and voicemail...there is just so many cheap and > hosted solutions if thats all you need. Which is why are installations for > the last few years have moved up the stack to customers that have more > specialized needs. > > So for us, our dilemma is get sipXacd maintained internally (we have an > elance dev working on that now), or look for a new platform. > > -M > > >>> Michael Picher <[email protected]> 08/29/12 6:53 AM >>> > > The problem with the old ACD, every time I tried to use it, was that it > was fragile. Do this, don't ever do that, etc... Any time I tried to use > it in a situation the customer (and then ultimately me) had a bad > experience. > > If they can make it stable, and make it so you can transfer calls out of > queue that would be awesome. > > Most people don't need a real ACD (even though they think they want an > ACD). What they need are fancy hunt groups which is exactly what the 4.4 > ACD does. > > Work has begun on a new hunt group app that will hopefully alleviate the > need for an ACD in cases where it really isn't needed. This will be based > around some new code and involve a B2BUA that can 'own' the call and then > hunt out. This will be in contrast to how hunt groups work now where it's > a SIP messaging nightmare. > > Circular hunt groups, linear hunt groups, being able to ring the same > extension at more than one point in a hunt group are all envisioned. At > some point I'd even like to see users be able to (from a phone or user > portal) login/out of hunt groups, or only ring certain users for different > days/hours in a hunt group. > > With the current workload I wouldn't expect anything until 4.8 though. > > Thanks, > Mike > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Matt White <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Funny, the beep is one reason my customers wont move to openACD. OpenACD >> for my customers that need a true ACD. The old ACD worked well despite its >> bad rap. >> >> We have a developer working on get sipXacd ported over to 4.6 so there is >> hope yet. >> >> As to your specific issue, I don't think the tone is an audio file, so >> you would need to create a patch to remove it. >> >> -m >> >> >> >> >>> Ali Dashti <[email protected]> 08/28/12 9:14 AM >>> >> >> Thanks Tony, one thing that made me go back to 4.4 ACD was the CallerID >> and DNID! In 4.4 ACD when a call arrives; an agent would see a Queue name >> and the Line extention in CallerID but in OpenACD even the DNID changes to >> agent extension number; therefore prevents me from knowing what number was >> dialed!! This was my primary result, do you see this as well? >> >> On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Tony Graziano < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> fyi - If you are referring to the existing ACD (not openacd) I don't >>> think any resources are going into it as it is being removed in favor of >>> the openacd integration starting up in 4.6. >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Ali Dashti <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> This could be a very old issue! I was wondering if there is a way to >>>> remove the beep heard a short moment after an agent picks up a call on >>>> ACD!! 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