That's what ADSK is trying to sell us with the ECSs, though from experience I can say that io isn't neither free in terms of additional hassle in production nor in terms of cost of operation (including higher cost of buying more than one piece of software in the first place, and finding people who can operate more than one software professionally, the latter being less important in larger projects with higher degrees of specialization between the various positions)
> When I see the other chaps using it, ncloth seems pretty great though - > modular apps are the future. We don't need to do everything in one app, we > just need a good base, and good i/o. > > > > Simon Reeves > London, UK > *[email protected]* > *www.simonreeves.com* > * > * > > > On 1 October 2013 08:44, Stefan Kubicek <[email protected]> wrote: > >> http://www.maxon.net/ >> http://www.luxology.com/ >> >> Both do a lot of stuff really well. >> >> > http://www.sidefx.com <http://www.sidefx.com/> :P >> > >> > >> > Le 30/09/2013 12:44 PM, Sergio Mucino a écrit : >> >> Ugh. Tough cookie. This is one of those very delicate topics that >> >> usually end with rotten vegetables flying from camp to camp. It just >> >> happens that some people take the tools they use quite personally. >> >> I think it's all a matter of perspective, and personal preference. Of >> >> course, we can all start arguing over technical aspects of each >> >> product's architecture and data models, but that's just another rabbit >> >> hole. Workflows... tools... aesthetics... all rabbit holes. >> >> I've had to work with Maya, Max, Modo, and now Soft, and each app has >> >> its strengths and weaknesses (granted, some have more of one than the >> >> other), and depending what kind of job you have, and what kind of >> >> stuff you have to deal with, your tool is either going to make it a >> >> pleasant job, or your worst nightmare. >> >> However, you've pretty much hit the nail on the head. Adesk is a >> >> company who's primary objective is to make money, and we may like it >> >> or not, but absolutely nothing on this planet (short of a complete >> >> fail of the international money markets) will change that. And when it >> >> comes to making money, Adesk will of course put all its money on the >> >> horse that's winning the race. And we may like it or not, but that is >> >> Maya (and by winning the race I mean purely making more money). >> >> I don't want to start yet another discussion over the virtues or >> >> defects of each product and their future. Just trying to keep in the >> >> picture the fact that Adesk looks at this from a completely different >> >> perspective than users (and it's not only about how much money it's >> >> making, but also about how much it costs). So, let's just focus on the >> >> facts... >> >> >> >> * Adesk has 3 completely redundant products on its product line (Max, >> >> Maya, and Soft... they all are end-to-end DCC applications. They do >> >> things differently, but they all produce quality results). >> >> * There are 3 different development teams working on these products. >> >> * Max and Maya compete for the most seats in different industries. >> >> >> >> So, as a purely software development-focused entity, you'd ask >> >> yourself "Why do I need three? What if I had all my users only using >> >> one?". It does make sense... less development costs for same revenue >> >> (this is all "in theory" of course). And from that POV, it makes more >> >> sense to try to move less users to a different product than more of >> >> them... hence, Maya is their winning horse (whereas users decide to >> >> leave their current tool of choice for Maya is still to be seen). >> >> So, it doesn't really matter how great ICE is, or how more modern >> >> Softs architecture is, or how friendly Max is. These are all things >> >> that can eventually be implemented in another code base (technical >> >> issues and business concerns aside). It's a matter of getting >> >> favorable quarterly results. Period. >> >> I think the real unfortunate aspect of this is that there is NO real >> >> contender/alternative to an application of Maya/Soft's maturity and >> >> capabilites. And Adesk knows it. Therefore, they can afford to play >> >> different strategies withl little risk involved. >> >> >> >> And I think I've gone on long enough, and it's lunch time (and not to >> >> mention, Monday...) >> >> >> >> *Sergio Mucino* >> >> Lead Rigger >> >> Modus FX >> >> >> >> On 30/09/2013 12:05 PM, John Richard Sanchez wrote: >> >>> I agree. But numbers do count as most studios use maya and I need to >> >>> go where the work is. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Andi Farhall <[email protected] >> >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I approached learning a bit as an occupational hazard. The job >> >>> needed ncloth for legacy reasons so i thought, ok, how bad can it >> >>> be. nCloth seemed to do the trick, and no doubt there are other >> >>> parts of maya that are good but good lord it's unpleasant to use. >> >>> As many of us suspect, it's simply a case of seat numbers and >> >>> nothing to do with how good a package is as to where AD pitch it. >> >>> If they seriously expect something like maya to be the future >> >>> they're all barking mad....... and as such I'm failry sure that >> >>> can't be the future. 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