The main problem I found was that POPs are just points that are easily directable, but FLIP is points with volume, so you are often fighting against the volume forces when trying to manipulate the points.
However, the volume is what gives the FLIP it's liquid characteristics i.e. surface tension, viscosity etc - so you do lose a bit of that when just using POPs. For my job it was a case of splitting an object made of 'oil' into three objects made of 'oil' so making the points follow from one shape into three shapes was far more controllable using POPs and then adding in the liquid characteristics like stickiness/viscosity and wobble afterwards - rather than fighting against the liquid characteristics of FLIP ________________________________ From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com <softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> on behalf of Laurence Dodd <laure...@porkpie.tv> Sent: 01 March 2017 20:42:09 To: Official Softimage Users Mailing List. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/xsi_list Subject: Re: Am I being an idiot, probably It turns out a lot of my issues stemmed from the nested dialectic, as soon as i turned that off things started working much better. Thanks all for advice, I will moyou don't thnst probably be asking for more over the coming days, it's a steep curve, or maybe it just seems that way after using only Soft for so many years, where your so used to it that you, of course know that unless you check "that box" it won't work, but at least it's not Maya. Hey Gareth, i would be most grateful if you could expand a little on the pops versus flip thing, I was thinking flip as I have to get it to go back to the bottle shape. Top tips all most welcome, cheers all! On 1 March 2017 at 19:20, Olivier Jeannel <facialdel...@gmail.com<mailto:facialdel...@gmail.com>> wrote: I just red the beginning of your post, dropping this for the sake of information : For your material problem. Entagma tutorial https://vimeo.com/205629784 It shoes a cristal with glass and air shader in the H16. If that helps... 2017-03-01 19:59 GMT+01:00 gareth bell <garethb...@outlook.com<mailto:garethb...@outlook.com>>: In a previous project where I had to force fluids into a specific shape I ended up using POPs over FLIP - it's got a little fewer 'liquid' qualities but it is far more directable. ________________________________ From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> <softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>> on behalf of Laurence Dodd <laure...@porkpie.tv<mailto:laure...@porkpie.tv>> Sent: 01 March 2017 17:57:53 To: Official Softimage Users Mailing List. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/xsi_list Subject: Re: Am I being an idiot, probably I've got to do a shot where four standing crayola crayons quickly melt in a non-newtonian shapes then reform into four bottles. I have melty crayons, and I thought I would use the Suction force to bring them back to the bottles, I'm having problems with have the melted forms look nice/directable. The whole shot is 5 secs, so 3 of actual action. Am I mad to have taken this on? On 1 March 2017 at 17:53, Andi Farhall <hack...@outlook.com<mailto:hack...@outlook.com>> wrote: the side fx forums and od force are very friendly places, i've asked complete beginner questions there... ........................................................................... http://www.hackneyeffects.com/ https://vimeo.com/user4174293 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/andi-farhall/b/496/b21 http://www.flickr.com/photos/lord_hackney/ http://spylon.tumblr.com/ This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Hackney Effects Ltd. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. ------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________ From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> <softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>> on behalf of Laurence Dodd <laure...@porkpie.tv<mailto:laure...@porkpie.tv>> Sent: 01 March 2017 17:49:54 To: Official Softimage Users Mailing List. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/xsi_list Subject: Re: Am I being an idiot, probably I'm a bit concerned about how much I've taken on, is any willing to do some mentoring/consulting, for money of course, I just dont want to look like the noob I am to this new client. On 1 March 2017 at 17:46, Jonathan Moore <jonathan.moo...@gmail.com<mailto:jonathan.moo...@gmail.com>> wrote: Apologies Andy (Nicholas) I hadn't seen you'd already replied with the answer. On 1 March 2017 at 17:41, Andi Farhall <hack...@outlook.com<mailto:hack...@outlook.com>> wrote: i've been following along to some paid tutorials, this set might help. http://www.rohandalvi.net/textures/ ........................................................................... http://www.hackneyeffects.com/ https://vimeo.com/user4174293 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/andi-farhall/b/496/b21 http://www.flickr.com/photos/lord_hackney/ http://spylon.tumblr.com/ This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Hackney Effects Ltd. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. ------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________ From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> <softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>> on behalf of Laurence Dodd <laure...@porkpie.tv<mailto:laure...@porkpie.tv>> Sent: 01 March 2017 17:30:55 To: Official Softimage Users Mailing List. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/xsi_list Subject: Re: Am I being an idiot, probably Yes, scary indeed. Are there and sample scenes around I can look at? I couldn't see any. On 1 March 2017 at 17:25, Andi Farhall <hack...@outlook.com<mailto:hack...@outlook.com>> wrote: i think the idea is you can assign any part of a network to an object so you can drag the principled shader from /mat onto an object or you can dive inside and and assign stuff from inside instead. It's one big network where multiple shader can be joined up at different levels (i think).... The material palette seems slightly redundant to me so far, You can get the the internals of the principled shader by right clicking and selecting allow editing of contents (but then it gets scary) ........................................................................... http://www.hackneyeffects.com/ https://vimeo.com/user4174293 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/andi-farhall/b/496/b21 http://www.flickr.com/photos/lord_hackney/ http://spylon.tumblr.com/ This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. 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If I have two shaders, say a glass and a liquid, if I go into either of the Disney castle icon shaders they are both on each other. And is the principled shader more "black boxed" now, and I should do all layering in this top level? On 1 March 2017 at 17:12, Andi Farhall <hack...@outlook.com<mailto:hack...@outlook.com>> wrote: fortune favours the bold Lawrence! ........................................................................... http://www.hackneyeffects.com/ https://vimeo.com/user4174293 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/andi-farhall/b/496/b21 http://www.flickr.com/photos/lord_hackney/ http://spylon.tumblr.com/ This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Hackney Effects Ltd. 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You need to go to the new /mat context instead of /shop. On 01/03/2017 16:39, Laurence Dodd wrote: This is a Houdini question, I feel too stupid to ask on the Houdini forum. I am just trying to set up a layered shader in Mantra, if I look at this tutorial https://www.sidefx.com/tutorials/curvature-vop/ it looks so easy, but when I go to SHOP as she does I get no option for principled shader, I have to use a material Shader builder node, it's all different, and doesn't work nearly as well. My main problem is that the shader puts my texture one to each poly, it does have UV's. Arrgh this is taking me too long. Am I missing something basic? Thanks everyone -- Laurence Dodd Porkpie Animation E: laure...@porkpie.tv<mailto:laure...@porkpie.tv> W: www.porkpie.tv<http://www.porkpie.tv> M: 07570 702 576 T: 01273 278 382 ------ Softimage Mailing List. 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