+1.

4rd-u is tweaking IPv6 header such as fragment header, hop limit, V-octet, etc 
to create a unified transport instead of the encapsulation (MAP-E) and the 
translation (MAP-T). MAP-E and MAP-T do not intend to create a new transport. 
In fact, MAP-E utilizes rfc2473 and MAP-T utilizes rfc6145. We implemented the 
mapping rule with the standard transport. So, from my point of view, since 
4rd-u focus on defining a new transport, the discussion point of 4rd is a 
little bit different from MAP-E/MAP-T. Also, the following idea is a good way 
to get the consensus widely to define the new transport instead of the existing 
tunneling/translation.

Thanks,
Tetsuya Murakami

On 2012/04/01, at 11:02, Satoru Matsushima wrote:

After the meeting, I've figured out that 4rd-u define new type of transport, 
since it adds several new semantics in its packet format with V-octet as a 
helper of packet format distinguisher. That kind of work is of course out of 
scope of Softwire working group. I therefore suggest to the 4rd-u authors that 
a new BOF or a working group which named like 'unified packet format for 
tunneling'.

Best regards,
--satoru


On 2012/04/01, at 16:38, Jan Zorz @ go6.si wrote:

On 3/31/12 4:56 PM, Rémi Després wrote:
Alain,

You had initially announced that either one specification would be
chosen for standard track (among T, E, and U), or specifications
would all become WG drafts on the experimental track ((*) below). In
Paris: (a)The MAP proposal became presented as an inseparable T+E
package. (b) The WG couldn't make a consensus choice between T+E or
U.

Now publishing both MAP-T+E and 4rd-U as WG documents on the
experimental track, is therefore consistent with what was announced
(and was also asked for by several at the end of the meeting). As you
explained, this won't prevent from selecting one for standard track
later on, based on better market experience.

Not sure that was the outcome - as I understood Alain, we'll make a decision 
here on mailinglist in a very short period of time.

Cheers, Jan

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