Hi Peter, It's something that's "up to the judge's discretion" and fortunately, we've never had to call people on it.
As for the cubing community at large, we definitely had a discussion about this awhile ago when we were proposing changes. I don't remember when the discussion took place, but I'm sure someone can just search the archives. It has been largely stated that in order for a pop to affect an average of 5, a 40% pop rate is necessary. That's like, a D- minus if you're in public school. And again, they should be punished, because popping is not just a result of a malicious attempt to get a better average an eliminate a bad solve, but it is also a result of the cuber's lack of ability to turn the cube accurately. Accuracy is very much a part of the solving practice as lightning quick fingers. You might want to look at some results and try calculating the placement if their pop was not allowed. I think for the most part, the standings remain unchanged. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Dec 24, 2005, at 5:14 AM, Peter Douthwright wrote: > Sure they should punished IF!!!!! they pop on purpose. but I do not > think you can ever prove that. I therefore think that not allowing > pops is completely wrong. Unless you can show me a VALID reason for > not allowing pops then you should allow them. > > You should allow one pop per ten solves. Or something like that. While > we are at it. When did you ever consult the cubing community at large > about this, or did the board of the WCA decide this on their own? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tyson Mao > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 8:03 AM > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: 2006 Regulation Revisions > > > Yes, they should be punished because they can cut more corners. > > Please refer to Lars Petrus' argument. In order for a POP to affect > your average, since the slowest solve is discarded, you have to pop > twice, or twice out of five solves. 40% pop rate in a competition is > unacceptable. > > I'll be gone for a couple of days. > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > On Dec 24, 2005, at 4:33 AM, Pedro wrote: > >> Yeah, I agree with Dan and Per. Why not allowing POPs? Some people >> prefer flat centers, which gives more chance of poping...but...should >> they be punished by a personal preference? and if pops are not >> allowed, competitors will not push very hard on their solves, because >> they will be afraid of poping and ruining an average...so, we'll have >> slower times... >> >> well, is just what I think...but, I think POPs should be allowed... >> >> Pedro >> >> Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu: >> Hi Tyson, >> >> I really object to the idea of not allowing POP's. I'm not 100% sure >> of the reasoning behind this rule, but I assume it's to prevent >> people from abusing it (ie when you have a bad solve you >> deliberately force a piece). But let's be honest, how many of the >> top20 solvers in the world have ever needed to/wanted to commit this >> offence? Maybe I'm being ridiculously too trusting, but it just >> doesn't seem to be a problem as far as I can see. I really really >> can't see any of the top guys who can already solve in <15 secs >> average being selfish enough to force the cube. And also, not >> allowing a POP could completely ruin a competitors chance of winning >> a title. A genuine POP is not the fault of the competitor at all, >> and yet the new rule would be punishing them, since it completely >> changes the approach to solving the cube. You don't want to risk >> anything, especially if your cube is not quite as stable as other >> competitors cubes. SO it also means that if you have a poorer cube >> you are less likely to have a chance of making 5 solves! AND of >> course, after you have POPped once, it's very unlikely that you >> could recover it and beat someone who hasn't POPped, if you didn't >> get the extra solve. I'm sorry for not putting my case very >> succinctly, but hopefully you can see I feel quite passionately >> about this rule change. I think the reasons for not changing the POP >> rule far outweigh the reason for changing it. >> >> As regards the other rules, especially making all averages out of 5, >> I am fully in favour of :) >> >> Per, Tyson, I am also in favour of allowing stickers in Fewest Moves >> Competitions. Just as speedcubers are allowed to use a variety of >> techniques, (some might use a corners first method, others might use >> Fridrich, and ChrisH might be using ZB), even though those who >> aren't using a particular technique might know nothing about it and >> not be able to use it in their solves. So not allowing stickers >> because it gives people an advantage over those who don't know how >> to use stickers to their advantage is not a valid reason I think (if >> that is indeed the reason for not allowing stickers, again i >> slightly assumed I think). If competitors would supply their own >> equipment, then I can't see any reason for not allowing stickers or >> sticker equivalents. >> >> Thanks for listening, >> >> DanH :) - www.cubestation.co.uk >> >> --- In [email protected], Tyson Mao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Everyone, >>> >>> For all competitions in 2006, we will be making the following >> changes >>> in the regulations: >>> >>> 1. No POPs will be allowed. The competitor will not be awarded >> an >>> extra solve if there is a puzzle defect during the solve. >>> >>> 2. Record standards for 3x3x3 OH, 4x4x4, and 5x5x5 will be >> Average of >>> 5. The current world records set in the format of Mean of 3 will >> stand >>> for six months to allow time for the current world record holders >> to >>> retake their world records under the new format. >>> >>> Note: In blindfold cubing, +2 penalties are awarded. >>> >>> Thank you! Please let us know if there are any major objections. >>> >>> Tyson Mao >>> World Cube Association >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS >> >> >> Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. >> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of >> Service. >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Yahoo! doce lar. 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