Ok, heres the problem i keep having.  When i follow the patterns in 
4a, it doesn't fix the orientation.  

Right now i have the cube on last 6.  I'm doing blue and green as my 
top/bottom.  4 of the 6 cubes have the blue facelet either facing up 
or down.  the ones that are not correct are the top-back edge and 
the top-left edge.  So i look on the handy chart and it says 
that "M'UM'" will fix it (because that shows the topback and topleft 
edge as purple).  So i do those 3 moves.  now the topleft, topback, 
topright, and bottomfront sides are messed up.  same move is 
supposed to fix it, "M'UM'", so i do it again.  topright and 
bottomfront are now messed up.  thats not on the chart, but if i do 
M2U', we're back to the first situation where the topback and 
topleft edges are messed up.  am i supposed to just keep doing M'UM' 
over and over until it fixes it?  None of these patterns seem to 
accomplish anything...

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> Finish corners, fill in 3 ledges and 3 redges.  Make sure that the 
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> I use red on top, so I'll explain it using red.   When you have 
> everything done except step 4, there are 6 edges left.  Of those 
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> orange facelet on the top or bottom, then its good.  If the sticker
> facing up or down is not red or orange , then the edge is bad.
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> 2 bad edges;  (M'UMU')(M'UM')
> 3 bad on top, 1 in DF;  (M'UM')
> 3 bad on bottom, 1 in DB; (MUM')
> 4 bad on top; (M'U2M'U2)
> 6 bad edges; (RU'r'U')(M'U)(rUr')
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> the last one is an ALG Gustav Fredell found for me.
> HOPE THIS HELPS, HAPPY CUBING.
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> --- In [email protected], "zethusamphion"
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> > I'm trying to move from CF to Roux.  Since the two are similar 
> > methods,
> > most of this I already know how to do.
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> > I don't understand step 4a however.  Am I correct in assuming 
that 
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> > the cubes are in the "right orientation", that after step 4c 
their
> > orientation should still be correct?  When I follow the patterns 
> > listed in
> > 4a, it seems that a few are still in the wrong orientation.
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> > "Do it again, as long as wrong orientations remain"
> > Does this mean that after using the sequence i have to recheck 
all 6
> > corners to see what's happened to their orientation?
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> > I guess my question is this: once I get all of the edges in step 
4 
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> > the correct "orientation", then after 4b and 4c, the corners 
should 
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> > be in the correct orientation?  Because when I'm doing it theres 
> > always 2
> > in the wrong orientation, and the only way I know to solve that 
is
> > M'UM'UM'U2 MUMUMU2, which adds about 5 more seconds onto the 
time.
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> > Maybe someone can reexplain step 4 but dumb it down for me?  TY!
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