Rick, Require 13 systems in SFDs and you get your wish. Make it apply to buildings over X sqft and keep 13D for buildings under x sqft. Don't make 13D something it isn't.
On 2/26/08, Matsuda, Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There was a "slight" code change between the 1996 and 1999 editions of > NFPA-13D, paragraph 4-6, exception #4. > > It changed from stating, "...not required in attics, crawl spaces, and > other concealed spaces that are not used or intended for living purposes > or storage"...to ..."not required in attics, crawl spaces, and other > concealed spaces that are not used or intended for living purposes". > > The committee omitted the words "or storage" which makess it seem that > they accept that most attics would be used for storage and sprinklers > would not be required. They have since changed the wording again in the > 2007 edition, par 8.6.5 to state "...and do not contain fuel-fired > equipment". > > Some big homes that we have in Dallas have a standard doorway into the > attic which is decked with lighting provided, but it's not conditioned > space and no walls or ceilings are provided. It's just open to the roof > joists. Per the wording of 13D, we allow sprinklers to be omitted. > > I don't agree with this position cause I'd like to have sprinklers in > every attic, bathroom, closet and dog house, but until changes are made > again I will abide with the committee's decisions. > rick matsuda, city of dallas > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve > Leyton > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:55 PM > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: 2nd request 13d attic storage > > But does your attic have a pull-down or fixed stair? All good points > Todd, which underscores how subjective this issue really is. If it's a > storage "room", I'd consider it part of the dwelling unit. If it's dead > space above the ceiling in which the home owner chooses to put stuff, > then it quacks like an attic. > > Steve Leyton > Protection Design & Consulting > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd > Williams - FPDC > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:31 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: 2nd request 13d attic storage > > 13D says that sprinklers in attics may be omitted, provided they are > not intended for "living purposes". Does storage in an attic space > constitute a living purpose? I'm not sure if it does or not. I would > think that a case could be made, considering that 13D is a Life > Safety System. (My assumption here is that the access to the space is > more on the idea of a pull-down stair as opposed to a carpeted > staircase.) > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > -- Ron Greenman at home.... _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
