Fill the boat with water? Not sure if someone would find capsizing it as being more palatable than burning it.
Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection Specialist Mechanical Department CH2MHILL Lockwood Greene 1500 International Drive PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax - 864.599.8439 [email protected] http://www.ch2m.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd Williams Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 2:39 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Boat Storage In the back of the FPRF report, there is a list of marina and boat storage fires. Some are rack buildings. Interestingly, I was talking to one of my local marina's about a shed where they store 30+ ft boats for the winter. In addition to sprinklers at the roof, I suggested a lower network of pipe where you could feed sprinklers off of Flexhead drops into the cabins through hatchways. Probably not ideal, but could help alleviate the shielded fire issue a little. At 02:14 PM 1/22/2009, you wrote: >Where are all those expert FPE/PE/ME's when ya need 'em? (just >kidding, well sort of) > >Who insures these type of facilities? Surely someone somewhere has >some data relating to the hazards present, fuel loading, protection >schemes, fire prevention procedures, fire history etc. ??????? > >We know what the materials we're dealing with are, we know what the >arrangement of the storage is, we know there will be fuels floating on >water, we have a lot of info. Just need the time to really analyze it >and do some modeling maybe? > >I know part of the concern is the loading of open boats with water and >the effect of that on the structure, doesn't do a lot of good to keep >it from burning if it is destroyed by falling off the rack or having >something above fall on it. Also don't want to collapse the entire >structure. > >Had a look at the Vortex system by Victaulic, low water output but it >appeared to have extinguishing capabilities like FM-200 without all the >containment restrictions. That could answer the water loading the >boats issue, water mist on steroids. > >Foam or foam-water appear to be logical choices but then there can be >environmental issues. > >Not an easy solution but there has to be something. > > > >Craig L. Prahl, CET >Fire Protection Specialist >Mechanical Department >CH2MHILL >Lockwood Greene >1500 International Drive >PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax - >864.599.8439 [email protected] http://www.ch2m.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of å... .... >Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 1:15 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Boat Storage > >what bothers me is a client has come to us, >asked us to protect his product, and we throw are hands up. > >we should offer him something. Completely >indemnify yourself, but to say there is >"nothing" that can protect boats when we just >got through glorifying sprinklers in compartments, don't float. > >sure, a compartment is relatively easy to >sprinkLER relative to rack storage of >expanded-foam-filled plastic, but it can't be impossible. > >I would give the client a design. Tell them >this is what it will cost, and tell them to >grant your company complete indemnity. >You want to help them, but you have to preserve >your company's life, too. This insecure >solution for the client, still may be what they >want...rather than simply operating naked. > >The republic government offers the marvel of a >judicial system, which is a proven vehicle when >filled with rational, even rationally >compassionate thinking jurists. but the >judicial system is broke and a joke if decisions >are rendered by a quorom of >incompetents. People should get paid >full-salary to serve jury duty, because the >present system is not working -- well. > > >scot deal >excelsior fire engineering > > > > >On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Chris Cahill <[email protected]>wrote: >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) Todd G. 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