What were you racing? I always thought is was if the rules don't say you can't, you can.
At 10:12 AM 12/1/2009, you wrote: >This is one of those cases where in racing we used to say that if >the rules don't say you can, assume you can't. > >It would be harder to argue that the wording is permissive for use >in OH when there's no direct text stating such and especially when >the commentary takes a definitive position. > > > > >Craig L. Prahl, CET >Fire Protection Specialist >Mechanical Department >CH2MHILL >Lockwood Greene >1500 International Drive >PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 >Direct - 864.599.4102 >Fax - 864.599.8439 >[email protected] >http://www.ch2m.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ed Kramer >Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 9:58 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: Calcs-How much margin > >Ron, I'm with you. Nothing in 8.3.4.1 prohibits small orifice >sprinks in OH. The commentary to section 8.3.4.1 then makes a leap >of faith and says otherwise. > >There was a proposal in the 2010 ROP that would have changed >8.3.4.1. The committee rejected it and said "The submitter is >correct, this [using small orifice sprinks in OH hazard] is not >allowed, it violates the listing of the sprinklers." Yea, that >helps. Another proposal was submitted at the ROC level and was also rejected. > >It seems to me the intent of 8.3.4.1 is to not allow small orifice >sprinks in OH, but someone was on crack when they wrote it. > >Ed Kramer >Littleton, CO > > > > > > 8.3.4 doesn't say for light hazard "only" and it doesn't prohibit the > > use of small orifice sprinklers in OH. The Tyco TY-FRB is UL Listed in > > 2.8k,4.2k, 5.6k and 8k for light and ordinary hazard. If it's Listed > > for OH why couldn't it be used? > > > > I would probably call the company that submitted the plans and ask for > > supporting information like an area water main map with elevations > > etc... With the right information the validity of the flow test could > > be determined. It isn't unusual for a building to be near completion > > before the extended water system is in place and ready to be tested. > > > > Ron Fletcher > > Aero Automatic > > Phoenix, AZ > > >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >[email protected] >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >[email protected] >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) Todd G. Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, Connecticut www.fpdc.com 860.535.2080 _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
