Chris, Wouldn't a building service chute fall under "other concealed spaces not intended for living purposes or storage and do not contain fuel fired equipment"?
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Chris Cahill <[email protected]>wrote: > Where do you throw the hot coals from your grill but in the chutes. That's > the difference between an elevator. The record will reflect chute fires > are > much more common and severe than elevators. Chutes drop into a dumpster or > the like with a lot more fuel load than misc. papers at the bottom of the > elevator. And no I don't think you get out of the chutes in a 13R. > > Chris Cahill, P.E. > Fire Protection Engineer > Sentry Fire Protection, Inc. > > 763-658-4483 > 763-658-4921 fax > > Email: [email protected] > > Mail: P.O. Box 69 > Waverly, MN 55390 > > Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW > Waverly, MN 55390 > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ken > Holsopple > (forum) > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 1:43 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: IBC and NFPA 13R - Linen/Trash Chutes > > Folks.....I need some opinions.... > > I have multiple buildings that fall into a Group R category and also > qualify > for the use of NFPA 13R. These buildings all have either trash or linen > chutes. The IBC (2006) states the following.... > > 707.13.6 Automatic sprinkler system. > An approved automatic sprinkler system shall be installed in accordance > with > Section 903.2.10.2. > > 903.2 Where required. > Approved automatic sprinkler systems in new buildings and structures shall > be provided in the locations described in this section. > > 903.2.7 Group R. > An automatic sprinkler system installed in accordance with Section 903.3 > shall be provided throughout all buildings with a Group R fire area. > > 903.2.10.2 Rubbish and linen chutes. > An automatic sprinkler system shall be installed at the top of rubbish and > linen chutes and in their terminal rooms. Chutes extending through three or > more floors shall have additional sprinkler heads installed within such > chutes at alternate floors. Chute sprinklers shall be accessible for > servicing. > > 903.3.1.2 NFPA 13R sprinkler systems. > WHERE ALLOWED in buildings of Group R, up to and including four stories in > height, automatic sprinkler systems shall be installed throughout in > accordance with NFPA 13R. > > NFPA 13R Section 6.8.5 > Sprinklers shall not be required in attic....elevator machine > rooms....elevator shafts......and other concealed spaces not intended for > living purposes or storage and do not contain fuel fired equipment. > > With the sections noted above I am thinking that the blanket statement that > IBC is trying to make is that sprinklers are required in any linen/trash > chute whether the building has a fire sprinkler system or it doesn't. > However, I am of the opinion that if I meet the qualifications for a > building to use the NFPA 13R standard then 903.3.1.2 acts as an exception > to > the previous rules in the "where required" section. Anybody else see it > this > way? > > I am having a hard time accepting that I don't need sprinklers in an > elevator pit or elevator machine room (ya know flammable hydraulic fluid?), > but make sure you protect the discarded Sara Lee pie pans (that can't be > used as heat collectors anymore) or Aunt Ethel's stinky socks. > > Is everybody lost but me again????? > > Best Regards and Happy Holidays, > > Ken Holsopple > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[email protected]<to%[email protected]> > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[email protected]<to%[email protected]> > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
