Perhaps but the IFC always overrules the NFPA docs. IFC is clear to me rubbish and linen chutes whether in a sprinklered buildings or not get sprinklers. Look at the IFC, the context of 903.2.10 is areas that get special consideration in otherwise unsprinklered buildings, like basements (.1) or tall buildings (.3) otherwise there is no purpose to 903.2.10. 903.2 is where sprinklers are installed usually by occupancy with some others like woodworking or commercial parking. It's not until 903.3 that you get to the hows. The how of 13R (903.3.1.2) doesn't exempt the where required of 903.2, IMHO. But I'm open for redirection and education.
Chris Cahill, P.E. Fire Protection Engineer Sentry Fire Protection, Inc. 763-658-4483 763-658-4921 fax Email: [email protected] Mail: P.O. Box 69 Waverly, MN 55390 Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW Waverly, MN 55390 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ben Young Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 2:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: IBC and NFPA 13R - Linen/Trash Chutes Chris, Wouldn't a building service chute fall under "other concealed spaces not intended for living purposes or storage and do not contain fuel fired equipment"? On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Chris Cahill <[email protected]>wrote: > Where do you throw the hot coals from your grill but in the chutes. That's > the difference between an elevator. The record will reflect chute fires > are > much more common and severe than elevators. Chutes drop into a dumpster or > the like with a lot more fuel load than misc. papers at the bottom of the > elevator. And no I don't think you get out of the chutes in a 13R. > > Chris Cahill, P.E. > Fire Protection Engineer > Sentry Fire Protection, Inc. > > 763-658-4483 > 763-658-4921 fax > > Email: [email protected] > > Mail: P.O. Box 69 > Waverly, MN 55390 > > Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW > Waverly, MN 55390 > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ken > Holsopple > (forum) > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 1:43 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: IBC and NFPA 13R - Linen/Trash Chutes > > Folks.....I need some opinions.... > > I have multiple buildings that fall into a Group R category and also > qualify > for the use of NFPA 13R. These buildings all have either trash or linen > chutes. The IBC (2006) states the following.... > > 707.13.6 Automatic sprinkler system. > An approved automatic sprinkler system shall be installed in accordance > with > Section 903.2.10.2. > > 903.2 Where required. > Approved automatic sprinkler systems in new buildings and structures shall > be provided in the locations described in this section. > > 903.2.7 Group R. > An automatic sprinkler system installed in accordance with Section 903.3 > shall be provided throughout all buildings with a Group R fire area. > > 903.2.10.2 Rubbish and linen chutes. > An automatic sprinkler system shall be installed at the top of rubbish and > linen chutes and in their terminal rooms. Chutes extending through three or > more floors shall have additional sprinkler heads installed within such > chutes at alternate floors. Chute sprinklers shall be accessible for > servicing. > > 903.3.1.2 NFPA 13R sprinkler systems. > WHERE ALLOWED in buildings of Group R, up to and including four stories in > height, automatic sprinkler systems shall be installed throughout in > accordance with NFPA 13R. > > NFPA 13R Section 6.8.5 > Sprinklers shall not be required in attic....elevator machine > rooms....elevator shafts......and other concealed spaces not intended for > living purposes or storage and do not contain fuel fired equipment. > > With the sections noted above I am thinking that the blanket statement that > IBC is trying to make is that sprinklers are required in any linen/trash > chute whether the building has a fire sprinkler system or it doesn't. > However, I am of the opinion that if I meet the qualifications for a > building to use the NFPA 13R standard then 903.3.1.2 acts as an exception > to > the previous rules in the "where required" section. Anybody else see it > this > way? > > I am having a hard time accepting that I don't need sprinklers in an > elevator pit or elevator machine room (ya know flammable hydraulic fluid?), > but make sure you protect the discarded Sara Lee pie pans (that can't be > used as heat collectors anymore) or Aunt Ethel's stinky socks. > > Is everybody lost but me again????? > > Best Regards and Happy Holidays, > > Ken Holsopple > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected]<to%3asprinklerforum-requ...@fire sprinkler.org> > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected]<to%3asprinklerforum-requ...@fire sprinkler.org> > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
