Sal, You are forgiven. 

There are instances where the building/fire code "prescribes" the
protection, the best example is the 903.3.1.2 balcony provisions.

But there are others;

"404.5 Enclosure of atriums. Atrium spaces shall be separated from adjacent
spaces by a 1-hour fire barrier constructed in accordance with Section 706
or a horizontal assembly constructed in accordance with Section 711, or
both."

"Exceptions: 1.A GLASS WALL FORMING A SMOKE PARTITION WHERE AUTOMATIC
SPRINKLERS ARE SPACED 6 FEET (1829 mm) or less along both sides of the
separation wall, or on the room side only if there is not a walkway on the
atrium side, and BETWEEN 4 INCHES AND 12 INCHES (102 MM AND 305 MM) AWAY
FROM THE GLASS AND DESIGNED SO THAT THE ENTIRE SURFACE OF THE GLASS IS WET
UPON ACTIVATION OF THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM WITHOUT OBSTRUCTION. The glass shall
be installed in a gasketed frame so that the framing system deflects without
breaking (loading) the glass before the sprinkler system operates."

No mention in the exception of NFPA-13 or listing/approval of the sprinklers
for this specific application. So technically one could prescriptively
standard spray sprinklers spaced every six feet, 12 inches away from and on
one side of a floor to ceiling glass wall.

408.3.6 Exit enclosures. One of the required exit enclosures in each
building shall be permitted to have glazing installed in doors and interior
walls at each landing level providing access to the enclosure, provided that
the following conditions are met:

4. The GLAZING SHALL BE PROTECTED ON BOTH SIDES BY AN AUTOMATIC FIRE
SPRINKLER SYSTEM. The sprinkler system shall be designed to WET COMPLETELY
THE ENTIRE SURFACE OF ANY GLAZING AFFECTED BY FIRE WHEN ACTUATED.
5. The glazing shall be in a gasketed frame and installed in such a manner
that the framing system will deflect without breaking (loading) the glass
before the sprinkler system operates.

However there are those that are specific with regards to approvals/listings
and NFPA-13. Pay particular attention to provisions that require sprinklers
to be provided THROUGHOUT and not just localized protection. 

704.12 Opening protection. WINDOWS IN EXTERIOR WALLS REQUIRED TO HAVE
PROTECTED OPENINGS in accordance with other sections of this code or
determined to be protected in accordance with Section 704.3 or 704.8 shall
comply with Section 715.5. Other openings required to be protected with fire
door or shutter assemblies in accordance with other sections of this code or
determined to be protected in accordance with Section 704.3 or 704.8 shall
comply with Section 715.4.

Exception: OPENING PROTECTIVES ARE NOT REQUIRED WHERE THE BUILDING IS
PROTECTED THROUGHOUT BY AN AUTOMATIC SPRINKLER SYSTEM and the exterior
OPENINGS ARE PROTECTED BY AN APPROVED WATER CURTAIN USING AUTOMATIC
SPRINKLERS APPROVED FOR THAT USE. The sprinklers and the water curtain shall
be installed in accordance with Section 903.3.1.1 and shall have an
automatic water supply and fire department connection. This is typically
where the WS is referenced.

Table 704.1 All groups except B & M- Escalator openings connecting four or
less stories IN A SPRINKLERED BUILDING. Openings MUST BE PROTECTED BY A
DRAFT CURTAIN AND CLOSELY SPACED SPRINKLERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH (2002) NFPA
13. Groups B & M Escalator openings IN A SPRINKLERED BUILDING protected by a
DRAFT CURTAIN AND CLOSELY SPACED SPRINKLERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH (2002) NFPA
13.

These are just code excerpts, always utilize the code in a holistic manner.

Hope that helps,

John Drucker, CET
Fire Protection Subcode Official 
Fire/Building/Electrical Inspector
Fire Marshals Office
Borough of Red Bank, NJ


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sal Izzo
(TECH- 103)
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 4:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Window sprinklers

Bob:

I agree, Bob.   My dear friend John Drucker would be disappointed in me for
forgetting about the ability of the building code in providing such
prescriptive alternatives.  My intent was to just make the distinction
between a sprinkler actually tested against ASTM E119 and a regular spray
sprinkler that is not; that a listed window sprinkler would serve as a
direct equivalent as an opening protective, compared to fire rated glazing,
where a regular spray sprinkler used for such applications would require
some prescriptive requirement assigned by the building code (or NFPA
standards), as you mention.  I welcome your comment, as it suits the purpose
of this forum  which is to learn from each other.  Believe me, I am not
looking to push something I cannot sell!!

Best Regards,

Salvatore J. Izzo, P.E. SFPE
Manager - Reliable Technical Services
________________________________________
From: [email protected]
[[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bob Caputo
[[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 4:11 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Window sprinklers

Sal,

I am not challenging your knowledge or expertise, and while I agree that
window sprinklers are tested for this specific application, the use of
sprinklers in lieu of rated construction materials is really a building code
issue where the atrium section permits closely spaced sprinklers in lieu of
the rated glass.  It doesn't prescribe a specific sprinkler in terms of a
listing, nor does it prescribe a deluge water curtain... in fact, it doesn't
specify sprinklers on both sides of the glass.  So wouldn't the answer to
Mr. Thomson's original question simply be that it's up to the requirements
of the local AHJ in each case where sprinklers are used in lieu of rated
glass?

Please know I am not looking to argue - just looking to be clear or to
verify that I've misunderstood this code allowance for years.

Best regards,

Bob Caputo, CFPS, CET
657 Cantara Lane, Vista, CA 92081



-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sal Izzo
(TECH- 103)
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 12:06 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Window sprinklers

In answering this question, one must first ask if there is fire resistance
rating required to be maintained with this installation.  Only listed window
sprinklers are tested and listed to provide an actual fire resistance rating
for glazing.  This is because these sprinklers are tested in accordance with
the ASTM E119 standard for fire resistance.  If the glazing is located in a
fire rated assembly, like a rated corridor wall, the fire resistance must be
maintained for the opening protective.  Therefore, if sprinklers were to be
used for this purpose in lieu of fire rated glazing, the listed window
sprinklers must be used.  In addition to the testing for the fire rating,
the positioning of the sprinklers relative to the glazing is also test
specific, as this ensures all areas of the are wetted.  This does not apply
to regular spray sprinklers.

Regards,
Salvatore J. Izzo, P.E. SFPE
Manager - Reliable Technical Services
________________________________________
From: [email protected]
[[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robert Thompson
[[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:10 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Window sprinklers

Do you have to use window sprinklers to protect windows or can standard
spray sprinklers be used?


Thank you
 Robert  Thompson

 DAKOTA
FIRE PROTECTION
1710 N. Washington Street
Grand Forks ND 58206-5327
Phone # (701) 772-8820
Fax # (701) 772-7932
Email [email protected]


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