Interesting point of view so should one design sprinklers in pool areas for Group A high piled plastic storage? Not trying to be sarcastic but trying to make a point.
I see an issue with trying to anticipate what an area MAY be used for. Especially an area such as this. You could take any hotel room designed as light hazard and someone could decide to store extra furniture or mattresses. Definitely not an LH room anymore but do you design systems with that possibility in mind? No. In my opinion if the area's use changes from a swimming pool to a junk storage area, that is not the sprinkler designer's issue, that is an AHJ/insurance issue when annual inspections are performed, if they are performed. Sprinkler designers don't design via the crystal ball method. Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection CH2MHILL Lockwood Greene 1500 International Drive Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax - 864.599.8439 CH2MHILL Extension 74102 [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rick Arvin Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 10:58 AM To: [email protected]; '[email protected]' Subject: Re: Pool sprinklers Bobby, >From an AHJ's standpoint, I would insist on sprinkler coverage in the pool >area for several reasons. The pool might not always be filled with water or >used as a pool. What happens when it's drained for maintenance? I had a case >were a pool was drained basically because it became too costly to maintain and >the area tended to became a collection point for storage and 'junk'. I have >also seen cases where events are held at pools and temporary stages or 'other >structures' are built in the immediate vicinity of the pool (sometimes over >the pool). A fire could quickly get out of control if no sprinklers are >provided in the original design. Depending on your particular situation, there could be many other reasons for sprinklers. Insurance requirements readily come to mind but I'm sure there are many good reasons to make sure pool areas are protected. Rick Rick Arvin Fire Protection Engineer Division of the Fire Marshal Office of Research Services National Institutes of Health Building 15G-2 9000 Rockville Pike Bethesda, Maryland 20892 301-496-2952 ________________________________ From: Frank Herrick <[email protected]> To: "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 9, 2011 9:59 AM Subject: Pool sprinklers Bobby, Just saw your post on the sprinkler forum, basically you are right, do NOT delete sprinkler protection from a pool area. There is frequently a large amount of plastics and combustibles stored around pool areas with little or no adult supervision of the working crew. Plastic pipe is perfect for this type of installation, see page 11 of this website: http://www.harvelsprinklerpipe.com/design_installation/pdf/installation-instructions.pdf You also need to specify a Teflon coated sprinkler heads, the chlorine used in pools causes corrosion to unprotected brass, which will require replacement in a few years. Use stainless steel ATR and hangers as well. Sounds like the local AHJ hasn't seen a fire extend from the pool area in to a hotel or school, look around on the web there are photos and reports available. Hope this might help. Yours truly, Captain Frank J. Herrick City Of Leawood Fire Department 14801 Mission Road Leawood, Ks. 66224-9560 Office: 913.681.6788 x 26 Fax: 913.681.2399 Fire Sprinklers Save Lives, Property, the Environment, and Water - Protect what you value most! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/private/sprinklerforum/attachments/20110909/ccd5d4ed/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/private/sprinklerforum/attachments/20110909/439c79ca/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum
