I did see a pool in a school that was drained for the summer and the gym mats were stored in it.
At 11:05 AM 9/9/2011, you wrote: >Interesting point of view so should one design sprinklers in pool areas for >Group A high piled plastic storage? Not trying to be sarcastic but trying to >make a point. > >I see an issue with trying to anticipate what an area MAY be used for. >Especially an area such as this. You could take any hotel room designed as >light hazard and someone could decide to store extra furniture or mattresses. >Definitely not an LH room anymore but do you design systems with that >possibility in mind? No. > >In my opinion if the area's use changes from a swimming pool to a junk storage >area, that is not the sprinkler designer's issue, that is an AHJ/insurance >issue when annual inspections are performed, if they are performed. Sprinkler >designers don't design via the crystal ball method. > >Craig L. Prahl, CET >Fire Protection >CH2MHILL >Lockwood Greene >1500 International Drive >Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 >Direct - 864.599.4102 >Fax - 864.599.8439 >CH2MHILL Extension 74102 >[email protected] > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rick Arvin >Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 10:58 AM >To: [email protected]; '[email protected]' >Subject: Re: Pool sprinklers > >Bobby, > > From an AHJ's standpoint, I would insist on sprinkler coverage in the pool > area for several reasons. The pool might not always be filled with water or > used as a pool. What happens when it's drained for maintenance? I had a case > were a pool was drained basically because it became too costly to maintain > and the area tended to became a collection point for storage and 'junk'. I > have also seen cases where events are held at pools and temporary stages or > 'other structures' are built in the immediate vicinity of the pool (sometimes > over the pool). A fire could quickly get out of control if no sprinklers are > provided in the original design. >Depending on your particular situation, there could be many other reasons for >sprinklers. Insurance requirements readily come to mind but I'm sure there are >many good reasons to make sure pool areas are protected. > > >Rick > >Rick Arvin >Fire Protection Engineer >Division of the Fire Marshal >Office of Research Services >National Institutes of Health >Building 15G-2 >9000 Rockville Pike >Bethesda, Maryland 20892 >301-496-2952 > > >________________________________ >From: Frank Herrick <[email protected]> >To: "'[email protected]'" ><[email protected]> >Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >Sent: Friday, September 9, 2011 9:59 AM >Subject: Pool sprinklers > >Bobby, > >Just saw your post on the sprinkler forum, basically you are right, do NOT >delete sprinkler protection from a pool area. There is frequently a large >amount of plastics and combustibles stored around pool areas with little or no >adult supervision of the working crew. > >Plastic pipe is perfect for this type of installation, see page 11 of this >website: > >http://www.harvelsprinklerpipe.com/design_installation/pdf/installation-instructions.pdf > >You also need to specify a Teflon coated sprinkler heads, the chlorine used in >pools causes corrosion to unprotected brass, which will require replacement in >a few years. Use stainless steel ATR and hangers as well. > >Sounds like the local AHJ hasn't seen a fire extend from the pool area in to a >hotel or school, look around on the web there are photos and reports available. > >Hope this might help. > >Yours truly, > >Captain Frank J. Herrick >City Of Leawood Fire Department >14801 Mission Road >Leawood, Ks. 66224-9560 >Office: 913.681.6788 x 26 >Fax: 913.681.2399 >Fire Sprinklers Save Lives, Property, the Environment, and Water - Protect >what you value most! > >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: ><http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/private/sprinklerforum/attachments/20110909/ccd5d4ed/attachment.html> >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >[email protected] >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: ><http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/private/sprinklerforum/attachments/20110909/439c79ca/attachment.html> >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >[email protected] >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >[email protected] >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum Todd G. Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT 860.535.2080 www.fpdc.com _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum
