We have a motel with the recalled heads. I did the paper work and the owner
refused to sign the authorization form. When the new owners asked about the
recall, they were informed the previous owner refused the service. The QR
sprinklers are now exceeding 10 years old and are due for the 10 year
service. There are also painted heads in the pool area. I like the grey
paint they used because it hides the corrosion on the heads and the heat
detectors. They will get an estimate to replace the heads and the heats.
Also someone removed a leaking dry head, and heads and piping in the pool
maintance room.
Is there a chance to get the heads replaced now? I don't really care if we
do the replacement or if Tyco uses their own people. I would like to get
the heads replaced. One reason is selfish, I stay in that motel.
-----Original Message-----
From: BF Blake
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 2:13 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Central Recall
Chris,
No, all of the heads have NOT been replaced. My last call with the VRP
office (now closed) was 10M heads out of the 35M were not replaced - that
was several years ago.
But, having worked as a sprinkler service manager for SimplexGrinnell and
several other fire sprinkler companies that have done inspections work I
know for a fact that o-ring and Omega heads are still frequently found in
the field and owners have been interviewed to determine if claim forms were
executed or not.
The reasons for this are:
1. Non-Tyco ITM firms generally did NOT get paid to do the site surveys.
Owners didn't have time, knowledge, skill or energy to fill out the claim
forms.
2. A small number of ITM companies charged clients to conduct the field
surveys and fill out the paperwork for the owners, but most ITM firms did
not do this. The forms didn't get filled out and didn't get turned in.
3. The recalls were addressed under an Annex (A4.1.4) in NFPA 25 and not in
the required section of 25. As a result, except with limited exception and
a few AHJs (notably Alexandria VA) no AHJs required their replacement.
4. The Omegas, in particular, were in residential apartments where
individual fire sprinkler head inspections were not and are not generally
enforced, lots and lots of locked doors. Some AHJs, most notably, Florida,
have and DO require individual head inspections per NFPA 25, most
jurisdictions do not. With limited access or a "Barrier" to access these
heads didn't get documented.
There are thousands and thousands of recalls in the field. Reagan
International Airport DC is one high profile location where they exist. I
see them all of the time in my travels.
Byron
(I now work for Tyco Fire Protection Products as a Territory Manager - Fixed
Systems - Americas) - but previously I served as an inspection/service
manager with SimplexGrinnell in CT and Montana/Wyoming. I also worked for
several smaller firms in Colorado and Maryland and worked for Wayne
Automatic in Florida.)
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 15:45:44 -0500
Subject: Central Recall
Yes, I know this expired back in '07. Or at least Tyco paying for
replacements expired, the heads are still recalled. The question is have
all submitted claims been replaced? I know there are a lot of them still
out there that were never claimed under the recall.
Chris Cahill, PE*
Senior Fire Protection Engineer
Burns & McDonnell
8201 Norman Center Drive
Bloomington, MN 55437
Phone: 952.656.3652
Fax: 952.229.2923
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
www.burnsmcd.com<http://www.burnsmcd.com/>
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