Doug, If your question is if Tyco will pay for replacement I suggest you contact them. They have stated, if the forms were not submitted prior to the deadline then they will not pay for replacement.
Sent from my iPhone On Sep 8, 2013, at 12:13 AM, "Douglas Hicks" <[email protected]> wrote: > We have a motel with the recalled heads. I did the paper work and the owner > refused to sign the authorization form. When the new owners asked about the > recall, they were informed the previous owner refused the service. The QR > sprinklers are now exceeding 10 years old and are due for the 10 year > service. There are also painted heads in the pool area. I like the grey > paint they used because it hides the corrosion on the heads and the heat > detectors. They will get an estimate to replace the heads and the heats. > Also someone removed a leaking dry head, and heads and piping in the pool > maintance room. > > Is there a chance to get the heads replaced now? I don't really care if we > do the replacement or if Tyco uses their own people. I would like to get the > heads replaced. One reason is selfish, I stay in that motel. > > -----Original Message----- From: BF Blake > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 2:13 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Central Recall > > Chris, > > No, all of the heads have NOT been replaced. My last call with the VRP > office (now closed) was 10M heads out of the 35M were not replaced - that was > several years ago. > > But, having worked as a sprinkler service manager for SimplexGrinnell and > several other fire sprinkler companies that have done inspections work I know > for a fact that o-ring and Omega heads are still frequently found in the > field and owners have been interviewed to determine if claim forms were > executed or not. > > The reasons for this are: > > 1. Non-Tyco ITM firms generally did NOT get paid to do the site surveys. > Owners didn't have time, knowledge, skill or energy to fill out the claim > forms. > 2. A small number of ITM companies charged clients to conduct the field > surveys and fill out the paperwork for the owners, but most ITM firms did not > do this. The forms didn't get filled out and didn't get turned in. > 3. The recalls were addressed under an Annex (A4.1.4) in NFPA 25 and not in > the required section of 25. As a result, except with limited exception and a > few AHJs (notably Alexandria VA) no AHJs required their replacement. > 4. The Omegas, in particular, were in residential apartments where individual > fire sprinkler head inspections were not and are not generally enforced, lots > and lots of locked doors. Some AHJs, most notably, Florida, have and DO > require individual head inspections per NFPA 25, most jurisdictions do not. > With limited access or a "Barrier" to access these heads didn't get > documented. > > There are thousands and thousands of recalls in the field. Reagan > International Airport DC is one high profile location where they exist. I > see them all of the time in my travels. > > Byron > > (I now work for Tyco Fire Protection Products as a Territory Manager - Fixed > Systems - Americas) - but previously I served as an inspection/service > manager with SimplexGrinnell in CT and Montana/Wyoming. I also worked for > several smaller firms in Colorado and Maryland and worked for Wayne Automatic > in Florida.) > >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 15:45:44 -0500 >> Subject: Central Recall >> >> Yes, I know this expired back in '07. Or at least Tyco paying for >> replacements expired, the heads are still recalled. The question is have >> all submitted claims been replaced? I know there are a lot of them still >> out there that were never claimed under the recall. >> >> Chris Cahill, PE* >> Senior Fire Protection Engineer >> Burns & McDonnell >> 8201 Norman Center Drive >> Bloomington, MN 55437 >> Phone: 952.656.3652 >> Fax: 952.229.2923 >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> www.burnsmcd.com<http://www.burnsmcd.com/> >> >> Proud to be one of FORTUNE's 100 Best Companies to Work For >> *Registered in: MN >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
