Yeah, how about somebody file a lawsuit against the NAHB or all the homebuilders who have lobbied and gotten return for the political patronage in the way of suspended residential sprinkler requirements or other such loopholes or relaxations? This is dirty business, but it's the only way that things area going to change. Go to the Fire Sprinkler Initiative's website and look for the page that has "Sprinkler Requirements By State". I realize this is off the topic of Edgewater a bit, but it's outrageous how many state legislatures have passed prohibitions against any ordinance or adoptions. They completely handcuffed local building and fire officials ...
I've been asked to consult on projects where owners and/or architects are trying to get 13D accepted instead of 13R, or 13R instead of 13. I won't take the jobs, but I'm offered one or more a month. SL -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum on behalf of John Drucker Sent: Thu 1/29/2015 6:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: 13D exterior overhangs. Owen, agreed 13D does not require heads under overhangs. What I am saying is what's to stop an adopting agency from amending the standard ?, nothing. Until a code or standard is adopted it has no jurisdiction. In any case I understand the value of 13D and P2904 hence why I supported their use for amendments to R300 of the NJIRC. The recent events in Edgewater NJ may change how and when 13R is deployed despite the standards intent. People up there are really pissed, a second lawsuit was filed today. John John Drucker - Mobile Email [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Cell/Text 732-904-6823 [email protected] wrote: John, Thank you for responding. It goes back to the intent of 13D, to provide people 10 minutes to escape and for the system to be affordable to install. If the place burns to the ground but everyone escaped, the system worked 100% as intended. It drives me crazy as inspectors come and go they add their personal wants and desires for these systems without following proper procedure. 13D does not require heads in exterior over-hangs. Owen Evans Former AHJ now 13D designer and consultant. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 29, 2015, at 5:46 PM, "John Drucker - Home" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Firstin, > > The question is too vague to be answered. As an active AHJ there are many > variables, adopted codes and standards, local amendments, special > circumstances not addressed by the code, variations, site approval trade > offs and on and on. In order to answer the question each one of those has to > be addressed. Believe it or not most AHJ's have an underlying need, real or > imagined, that they are trying to address. Keep in mind cost is not one of > them since the AHJ doesn't (and shouldn't) profit from requiring protection. > I'm not defending this AHJ but you have to dig deeper. > > Lastly I've said this time and time again, why are designers and contractors > engaged in these arguments with AHJ's ?. Convey your situation to the > beneficiary, that being the owner of the property. If he/she disagrees let > them take up the fight through appeal. > > John Drucker > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 6:29 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: 13D exterior overhangs. > > 13D does not require heads in exterior over-hangs, such as a second story > over-hanging a driveway. Can an AHJ apply 13 rules to 13D systems without an > amendment and require heads in over-hangs 4' & greater? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
