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Code analysis says the residential area are R-2 and the Parking level is S-2. 
The Florida Building Code seems to indicate S-2 as a public parking garage and 
when enclosed (which this is) requires protection. Additionally S occupencies 
located below any other type of occupied space seem to require sprinkler 
protection.

I do believe that the Florida Building Code does allow for the living floors to 
be protected per NFPA 13D though.

So if this is the case, the sprinkler system in the garage would over ride some 
13D omissions like monitoring and an FDC. 

Agreed?

⁣John Irwin 
DynaFire Inc. 
Tampa Fire Sprinkler Division 
727-282-9243 

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On Feb 9, 2018, 3:13 PM, at 3:13 PM, Parsley Consulting 
<parsleyconsult...@cox.net> wrote:
>I'm not sure the reference to 8.3.8 would apply.
>
>First, John mentioned he was working with the 2010 edition of 13D. That
>
>edition doesn't contain this language.
>
>Second, if John were working with the '16 edition then 8.3.8 would not
>apply in my opinion as the "storage areas" are not exterior, and are
>only accessed from inside a portion of the dwelling unit.
>
>just my thoughts,
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>On 02/09/2018 11:56 AM, Fire Design wrote:
>> If it's a 13D system then:
>> 13D 8.3.8    Sprinklers shall not be required in closets in garages
>> and exterior closets (regardless of size) located on exterior
>balconies,
>> exterior breezeways/corridors, or accessed from outdoors where the
>> closet does not have doors or unprotected penetrations directly
>> into the dwelling unit.
>>
>> Is the building classified as an R-3 occupancy? The '13' reference on
>
>> the code analysis page might be a mistake if it is but you can always
>
>> give the architect a call to see if that's the case. Otherwise I
>agree
>> - this layout looks a little odd for a 13D but it is what it is
>unless
>> the local ammendments have anything to add to the situation.
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>> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 12:15 PM, Paul Cetani <pa...@norcalfire.com
>> <mailto:pa...@norcalfire.com>> wrote:
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>>     This is pretty cut and dry here in Nor Cal. We have to sprinkler
>>     garages for most of our homes due to local AHJ requirements. 😊
>>
>>     Even if you sprinkler the garage, still seems like 13D to me.
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>>     *From:* Sprinklerforum
>>     [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org
>>     <mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>] *On
>>     Behalf Of *John Irwin
>>     *Sent:* Friday, February 09, 2018 11:08 AM
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>>     *Subject:* Abuse of 13D?
>>
>>     Ok someone help me make an argument that this is not a 13D
>>     installation. This is the garage level of a two family home.
>>     However, the units are stacked on top of each other. Both units
>>     share a single lead-in (also shared with domestic). 13D 2010 is
>>     pretty clear that garages are not sprinklered. Code analysis page
>>     references NFPA 13 and not 13D. Sprinkler “engineered” page calls
>>     for 13D and shows no floor control on the garage level. (I think
>>     at a minimum the storage rooms need sprinklers as the garage
>>     exception is just for the garage)
>>
>>     What say you smart people?
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