I understand the issue is complex BUT is this really the best way to go about addressing this issue???? SURELY you can see that MANY of us think this reactionary tactic is harmful to small businesses and the lonely self employed web developer who is held accountable by reputation to DROP everything and run to address an issue that IS NOT of their making and IS NOT in their control. Even though I feel abused by the hosting company - I choose them - so I am not looking to place blame there either. The fault rest squarely on the malicious code generators themselves. Google's reaction to this is HARMING small business. WHY are we here bashing each other and NOT attacking the attackers WHY can't we address this in a more civilized manner???? The google/stopbadware project does not seem malicious - even respectable - but the Firefox & IE adoption of this project is HARMFUL to the businesses - businesses that ALSO OWN some voice in this matter - no matter how small. NET Neutrality is at stake here.... These guys may have grown too big for their britches NO ONE DIE AND MADE GOOGLE GOD... or policeman of the Internet... and even so they should respect that this synergy between Firefox/IE & this project is HARMFUL to the little guy or gal...
As far as Mac's and Anti-virus software for Mac's FOLLOW the money - EVERY report I read of this New trojan Mac virus has one thing in common the poor bastard installed a third-party anti-virus package... Before the computer was hacked.... Begs more investigation, right? -Natalie On Nov 20, 11:27 pm, Debbie D <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > the problem is Natalie.. almost every one of the major and smaller > hosting companies have had some level of breech over the past year or > so. some more than others.. My personal opinion is someone gets > infected, they call the tech peeps, the tech person goes to the site > in HIS browser on HIS PC and whamo.. job well done.. now the > Trojan/virus is in the tech support system.. and if it is a keylogger > oh boy thats bad news.. Thats why I emphatically always tell people > in our position to call the tech but tell them NOT to view the site > in the browser. Many of these Trojans/Virii are now "drive-by" > types.. you get no warning.. nothing pops up in your anti-whatever > you might have running.. virtually undetectable until this start > happening whether on your site, your bank account or maybe your PC is > mis-behaving.. > > A new host system might or might NOT permanently resolve your ever > getting hacked again. > Debbie > > .. At 03:51 PM 11/20/2008, you wrote: > > > > >Debbie, > > >Thank you! I was throwing a bit of a fit. In fact just having this > >chat is helping me to calm down... IPOWER formally IPowerWeb the > >hositng company told me there is NOTHING they can do for me CRAP > >service but the hosting price is only 6.95 a month so I don't expect > >much... I pulled down all the pages three weeks ago. I combed the code > >NOTHING jumps out at me as a redirect... I checked the .htacess files > >NOTHING... The thing that gets me is that the warning page says that > >there is NOTHING suspicious on the site... but yet it redirects the > >user back to whence they came... I am stuck and I don't know how to > >get up.... > > >-Natalie > > >On Nov 20, 3:37 pm, Debbie D <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Natalie.. if google flagged your site then there is an issue.. have > > > you called your hosting company to help you find the problem?? The > > > issue COULD possibly be server wide.. the issues COULD possibly be > > > being injected into CERTAIN requested pages under CERTAIN > > > circumstances.. the code COULD be coming from elsewhere than your > > > carefully coded 4 year ago pages.. > > > > Obviously jumping up and down and carrying on like this is not going > > > to repair the situation.. The first thing you need to do is change > > > the password from a different computer in case your PC had been > > > compromised with a keylogger Togan. Next you need to call your > > > hosting people and ask them to see whats going on -- Oh and TELL THEM > > > -- this is VERY important.. to NOT go to your website on the > > > browser.. if they do their tech support's computer could become > > > infected with whatever your site might be serving up.. see if they > > > can locate the problem in a FTP or telnet session.. > > > ask them to look at your (if any) .htaccess files, ask them to look > > > at the server wide 404 pages.. ask them to see if there have been > > > changes made to ANY files, folder/directories added that YOU did not > > > put there.. > > > > That ought to get you pointed in the right direction. > > > > I totally understand this is frustrating.. but action not threats is > > > the road to cleanliness :) Google is not the only company flagging > > > sites these days, several of the major anti-something programs are > > > doing this also.. > > > > Debbie > > > > At 03:23 PM 11/20/2008, you wrote: > > > > >Steve, > > > > >I BEG to differ, I asked for reconsideration from GOOGLE THREE WEEKS > > > >AGO... For a website I coded 4 years ago,www.longlanehomeservices.com > > > >AND I AM still waiting... I too feel it is totally UNFAIR and that > > > >GOOGLE & STOPBADWARE.ORG are acting like malware HIJACKING websites > > > >and robbing mom& pop shops of being able to utilize their web > > > >presence... I pulled this sites code and combed it. There are NO > > > >external links aside from a link to mapquest - I have NO idea what > > > >landed this site on this list to begin with and I have No recourse... > > > > >Please understand our frustration here - it is extremely difficult to > > > >be the web developer in this position with out any recourse to this > > > >THE ALMIGHTY GOOGLE - I LOVED GOOGLE, I do I like there principles, > > > >this is REALLY KILLING me. I feel like a big bolder rolled on top of > > > >us & I have no voice to the google gods. > > > > >-Natalie > > > > >On Nov 12, 12:14 pm, SteveW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > You've been reading the wrong posts. It's not months and months. > > > > > Usually more like hours and hours. Could be 1-3 days. > > > > > > On Nov 9, 4:20 am, JenR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > I got the dreaded message that everyone else is getting and have > > > > > > turned my website inside out trying to find the bug. In my > > > > > > thrashing > > > > > > around, I logged a support ticket with my web host. In time they > > > > > > got > > > > > > back to me several hours later with a message saying that there had > > > > > > been a lot of breakins to their system over the weekend and that > > > > > > they > > > > > > had found the bug for me and removed it for me. > > > > > > > I've now tried to join the que for getting my site reviewed by both > > > > > > Google and Stopbadware > > > > > > > So now, based on what I've seen in other posts, people are > > going to be > > > > > > warned off my website for months and months while Google gets around > > > > > > to taking down the warnings. > > > > > > > OUCH! > > > > Regards, > > > Debbie ^v^ ^o^ //\o/\\ ^o^ ^v^ Webmaster - System Admin - IDSR > > > Bookmark our new Blog/Journal featuring News, New Arrivals and > > special deals.http://nailgdsss-beautytech.blogspot.com/ > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > (AOL or AIM - NailGdsss, GTalk - wkdwich, MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > > WWWeb Services, Ronkonkoma, NY & Rocky Mount, VA > > > 631-981-1273 fax 631-981-7557 > > > ONLINE > > STOREhttp://www.beautytech.com/shoppehttp://www.beautytech.com&http://www.... > > > for Professionals for Consumers > > Regards, > Debbie ^v^ ^o^ //\o/\\ ^o^ ^v^ Webmaster - System Admin - IDSR > Bookmark our new Blog/Journal featuring News, New Arrivals and special > deals.http://nailgdsss-beautytech.blogspot.com/ > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (AOL or AIM - NailGdsss, GTalk - wkdwich, MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED]) > WWWeb Services, Ronkonkoma, NY & Rocky Mount, VA > 631-981-1273 fax 631-981-7557 > ONLINE > STOREhttp://www.beautytech.com/shoppehttp://www.beautytech.com&http://www.beautytech.INFO > for Professionals for Consumers --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message through the Google Groups "stopbadware" group. 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