Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
>Who on earth is talking about repairs???
>
You are.  You want Gecko browsers to repair broken sites.
Again:  THAT IS **NOT** THE BROWSER'S JOB.

The job of the browser is to render what exists
--not to make weird quesses abut what coulda/shouda/mighta.

>JeffM wrote:
>>The job of Mozilla fanboys is NOT to advocate to break the browser
>>such that it will render any grade of crap;
>>it is to **educate** the ignorant as to the existance of that crap.
>
>Who's advocating "breaking" it?
>
Besides un-breaking sites, would you also like it to dance a jig?
It's hard enough to make the damned thing render **HTML** faithfully.
Now you want it to make guess about junk code
**and** do it the same way as M$'s guesses.
Just clueless.

>Not me.
>
Clueless.

>I'm saying it should be able to handle whatever crap real-world
>webmasters throw at it. That's /toughening/ it, not sabotaging it.
>
Years ago, I gave a technical document to someone to type.
He was the only guy with a computer--because he was hogging it.
He was not in the mood to be a typist,
so he edited my document for brevity.
THAT WAS NOT WHAT WAS ASKED OF HIM.

This is what you are expecting the browser to do,
to transform something
--rather than to do its job and render what exists.
The only appropriate alternative for handling broken code
would be to display the RAW code--and not try to render it.

>If measures of success are a red herring to you,
>I'm willing to bet you're not very successful.
>
If success means criminal activity, I'm not interested.
If success means NOT doing the job according to the specification,
I'm not interested.
Again, you seem to be of a generation
where cheats and shortcuts are the norm.
I have already called this Machiavellian.

>>Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
>>>while Microsoft got rich on the other 90%.
>>>
>>M$ got their wealth illicitly
>>http://google.com/search?q=cache:w100CwTtO_MJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish+*-*-v-Microsoft-*-trial+and.the.Internet+Netscape+*-*-*-*-*-*-*-monopolize-a-*-category+text+*-not-*-*-*-*-*-*-part-of-the-standard+Java+*-*-competitors-that-do-not-*-*-support-the-*-extensions+*-*-Department-*-Justice+*-describe-Microsoft's-strategy
>>That topic is very much in keeping with this theme.
>>Unlike your Machiavellian advocacy,
>>that is NOT a model I want to emulate.
>
>"Machiavellian"?
>I'm not saying we should connive to take over the world.
>
It's obvious you would like this browser to to be the same as M$'s;
that is the ONLY way to achieve the goal you have set.
That means following M$'s lead.  Really dumb idea.

>[...]if most of the market is "idiots,"
>the problem is not with the market, it's with your attitude.
>
The solution for that market of idiots already exists.
It's called Internet Exploder.
The sites were built for that tool; just use that tool
--or boycott the broken site.

>>This also applies to *your* insistance on supporting non-standards.
>>
>I'm not insisting on /supporting/ non-standards.
>
Clueless.
Again:  Un-breaking bad code is NOT the job of the browser.
You would like to break something that's not broken
in order to make something that IS broken look right.
That is just dumb--but why should I expect different from you;
you don't understand the problem.
You continue to think that THE BOWSER is the problem.

>I don't agree that the network needs to be homogeneous,
>
There we have it.  You don't understand Point #1about the Internet.
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