On Wed, Aug 04, 2004 at 04:31:11PM -0400, Edward J. Huff wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-08-04 at 16:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I'm not sure where your 'village' is but here it works much 
> > the same way actually.  But the problem is that there is no 
> > machine that can just tell us what your intent was.  So what 
> > your intent was has to be inferred from your actions and your 
> > knowledge.  The fact is that everyone knows there lots of 
> > illegal stuff floating around freenet, and one can simply 
> > not avoid responsibility for a crime by deliberately ignoring 
> > what is obvious.
> > So even though you didn't want to transmit kiddy porn you 
> > made the choice to run a freenet node fully aware that it 
> > could and would result in KP being distributed.  That right 
> > there is enough to establish intent.
> Ok, suppose most users of freenet decide to unite against
> kiddie porn by using TFE, YOYO, etc., to learn as many KP keys as
> possible, and delete these keys from their datastores and patch freenet
> so it won't carry them.    Now even so, some KP will be distributed, but
> only so long as the keys are unknown to the general population of
> freenet users.  Now what do you say about intent?

What happens when users start deleting less obviously problematic files
such as warez and mp3z? What happens if they disagree over what should
be deleted? And as far as child porn goes, don't you think a lot of it
will be "underground" i.e. not readily available from TFE? There was an
IIP board dedicated to such things... Anyway, if we start self
censoring, we have two problems:
1. Everyone will have a different idea of what should be censored.
2. Anyone who censors child porn but not warez, or warez but not decss,
or decss but not $cientology copyrighted papers, can be compelled to
censor the rest, since it is also technically illegal. If we are to
"cooperate" in the sense you suggest, we cannot simply block child porn.
We would have to block *anything that is illegal in the node op's
jurisdiction* !
Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/
ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so.

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