At 01:53 AM 9/15/99 -0300, you wrote:
>Yolanda's "worst case scenario" - and its hilarious description - is
>the necessary complement to those (my / "our" ?) high-flying ideas.
It was funny? Huh. I was describing scenes I'd witnessed! Open any
business that incorporates extended visiting in a neighborhood like this
and you'll have your hands full of miscreants and loiterers, no
kidding! Even the restaurants have this problem.
>The Cybercafe/sub-ISP models discussed may quite well have the
>genetic traits of hippiesque house communities
Idunno, I see hippiesque as a good deal more peaceful and cooperative than
the drunks and crazies around here get.
> (a propos, does anyone
>know a source/URL for the original series of "Fat Freddie's Cat" ?);
I doubt its available on line, but the cat belongs to Fat Freddie of the
Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers (I used to own the complete series) and you
could certainly do a search on the furry four. I sold my collection in '89
when I moved to Vancouver. (only lasted 8 mos in that stinkpot)
>So the social, self-organising side of it is perhaps as important as
>the technical. And this may be precisely the "motivating" aspect.
Yes, that is a very important part of getting people connected, and the
point too.
>However, as what are computers and the Net perceived of now:
>
>type variant of get-rich-quick) does only compound the perception that
>all that pertains to the other/"upper" side of the social divide.
>
>The only immediate - and short-term - rewarding use is games; but look
>at kids: when the game is over (or kaputt) there's another/different
>toy. Not a solid base to maintain a (IT) system
No, if you provide connectivity and social outlet for disenfranchised
adults you provide a real incentive. Take the guy with the soapbox on the
corner ranting at the crowds, give him his own website, chat room, email
list and he becomes something else. he's happier for reaching the entire
world and he's getting more feed back to develop his ideas. He also has
access to the information he needs to better craft a reasonable vision. a
drug addict can find in an addictions chat room both the intimacy and
anonymity needed to really open up and release the demons that need to be
talked about.
>So the real motivating thing would be the "power = knowledge" verse.
Yes, that's where we have to demonstrate it for them, in order to convince
them.
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