Hopeless. I give up. But be warned - I now have my eye firmly on what is going into the archives on this subject.
Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Osaka, Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Dana Linscott wrote: >Common Sense---- adj. > "good sense or practical judgment" > Webster New World Dictionary > > >--- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Sloppily made BD can not only ruin an engine but > > spew much more crap > > into the air than commercial petrodiesel." - Dana > > Linscott. > > > > Please explain. > >I cannot believe that you are serious...but here goes >again. > >What goes into unregulated BD? NO ONE KNOWS. That is >the point. Without quality control which is out of the >hands of the producer >unscrupulous/unknowlegable/unskilled producers can put >"ANYTHING" in a tank and call it "biodiesel". > >(Insert my pervious disclaimer about YBD only >producing the highest quality BD here) > >If this "ANYTHING" is run through a diesel engine and >does not damage it or spew pollution into the air I >would be amazed and pleased. This would mainly be due >to how simple it would make all our lives if one could >run "ANYTHING" through a diesel engine and have the >polluting qualities of the material disappear. And my >respect for Rudolf Diesel and current manufacturers of >engines based on his design would increase to near god >like status if one could run "ANYTHING" through their >engines and not only eliminate "ANYTHINGS'" inherent >pollutive qualities while at the same time causing no >damage whatsoever to the engines themselves. > >If you don't get my point now I believe that you >simply do not want to understand my point and no >explanation I can give will suffice. > > > > Please explain also how the mythical case you've > > outlined below > > differs from petrodiesel. Petrodiesel quality is > > rather variable, and > > generally poor-quality in the US, which is years > > behind Europe in > > improving diesel fuel quality. What's to stop a > > local petro-diesel > > supplier adulterating his fuel? Because that's what > > you're talking > > about - NOT sloppily made biodiesel but adulterated > > biodiesel, a > > different matter. Not splitting hairs, it's a > > different matter. As > > with any fuel, the best-made biodiesel in the world > > can be > > adulterated at any stage between the producer and > > the engine. > >Surely you are not arguing for more regulation here >Keith! (I am being facecious) I am only concerned at >this point with ensuring that a consitent and high >quality product is provided by the BD producer. >Contamination later on is a different matter. > > > > >I have to assume that you mean my statement > > regarding > > >the likelihood that "the most sloppily made > > biodiesel > > >is better than the best petrodiesel" is not true > > and > > > > You've failed to demonstrate that it's not true. > > Sloppily made or > > not, there's no sulphur, minimal PAHs and genotoxins > > (ie cancer > > risk), less VOCs, far less PM10s and PM2.5s, less > > smog-producing > > potential - less pollution, less health-risk. > >See above regarding "ANYTHING" > > > > > Also, instead of fairy tales, please provide some > > real-world examples > > to support your claims. Where exactly is all this > > "bad biodiesel" you > > keep tilting at? What real-world damage has it done? > >You have the same access to the reports on your own as >well as other alternative fuel web sites. If you wish >to say that studies or personal experiences archived >there (that don't agree with your opinion) which >indicate that some care is needed in producing >biodiesel or "bad things" happen are rubbish that is >your perogative. > >This is just common sense Keith...impure biodiesel CAN >be made and bad things can happen when it is run >through an engine. Common sense...no more...no less. > > > > >Please note I did not say well made biodiesel does > > >either. > > > > You've noted this a couple of times. Nobody said you > > did say that, to > > the best of my knowledge. > >Yes you are correct..no one has said this but that is >exactly what the questions you keep asking are based >on. > >Can you point us at it > > please? If not, best > > drop it. > >I would ask the same of you regarding this question. >Please poll the list members to see if anyone else >does not understand my point before asking me to >"prove" it over and over. > > >Dana > > > > Thankyou > > > > Keith Addison > > Journey to Forever > > Handmade Projects > > Osaka, Japan > > http://journeytoforever.org/ > > > > > > > > > > >--- Harmon Seaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > Dana said: > > > > > > > > > In this case I > > > > > offerred my profssional services Gratis or > > more > > > > > accuratly for the price of accepting primary > > > > > responsability. > > > > > > > > > > > > I can't imagine why YBD would want any help > > from > > > > you, Dana, after > > > > seeing the irresponsible and damaging statements > > > > you've made about > > > > biodiesel. With friends like you, who needs > > enemies, > > > > eh? > > > > > > > > And when are you going to answer Keith's > > request > > > > for proof of those > > > > allegations? I really think you need to either > > back > > > > up those statements > > > > or publically retract them. > > > > > > > > Harmon, > > > > > >I have to assume that you mean my statement > > regarding > > >the likelihood that "the most sloppily made > > biodiesel > > >is better than the best petrodiesel" is not true > > and > > >that besides "spewing more crap" into the > > atmosphere I > > >have to breath the "most sloppily made biodiesel" > > >might also have bad effects on engine longevity. > > > > > >Please note I did not say well made biodiesel does > > >either. > > > > > >I have a very hard time believing that this needs > > >backing up...but here goes. > > > > > > > <snip> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
