Mr. Sanborn, Let's try a little honesty for a moment. I know that it might pain you. But give it a go just once.
First of all, yes, you're correct. I do make point of "discredit[ing] the source[s]," especially when the "sources" you use are ripe with error. Second, when a person utilizes sources chucked full of error and disinformation as their foundation for argument, there is essentially no argument and no point or purpose in going 'round and 'round the mulberry bush as you would apparently like effect. Third, based upon the "sources" that you draw your "information" from, it is rather apparent that you're either an aspiring disinformatinalist or someone who siimply enjoys creating an atmosphere of argument. Fourth, in light of that, I'm afraid that you presume far too much in your expectancy that everyone (or anyone) drop everything that they're doing, wrestle precious hours away from far more productive endeavors, all to rehash erroneous allegations and falsehoods of intentional foundation. To what end? Certainly not in search of any truth. Or if so, only the "truth" as you care to interpret it. Do you really think that a book such as Al Franken's "Lies and the Lying Liars that tell them, A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right" would have made it out of the batter's box if it was as full of liable and untruths as your "sources" claim? And in all honesty, anyone who deliberately assesses judgement on a present issue and/or film based upon an unrelated past issue is someone who is far more set upon a distorted conclusion than upon any conclusion predicated upon reality. Come to think of it, that practice is exactly what you're accusing another of. One can only presume, based upon your operating on such a double standard, that the rules that you would care to apply to others simply don't apply to you? Perahaps now you can see why you are so easily discounted? Todd Swearingen ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 I applaud your attempt to discredit the source rather than to make any attempt whatsoever to discredit the arguement or the premise itself. But here are some more reputable sources, irregardless of the fact that the site I linked had a number of reference sources. http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/shooting/0422nra3.shtml And here is the link of how Moore edited hestons speech entirely and spliced the sentences to create an entirely new speech. http://www.hardylaw.net/Bowlingtranscript.html He has a link on there with the actual transcript, and you can throw in BFC if you want to check Moore's new version. And here is another anti-Moore link corraborating the Flint incident. I don't need a source for that though, slow down your DVD player and do it frame by frame. Moore puts together a sequence of scenes to make it look like Heston is in Flint immediately after the death of the little girl. He actually says "Just as he did after the Columbine shooting, Charlton Heston showed up in Flint, to have a big pro-gun rally." But, from: http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=859 "When I spoke to Moore last week, he confirmed Hardy's point about the date of the speech, but angrily denied the allegation that he had misled viewers." Moore actually admits the date was off. How does he get off saying he didn't try to mislead people. As for the civilian casualties, there are only a reported maximum of about 11,300 according to http://www.iraqbodycount.net Most of the deaths are by cluster bombs and the initial missile attacks. But go check out the database, those suicide and car bombers are killing more Iraqi's than americans. When you kill 30-100 people per bomb trying to get back at the American's, your seriously hurting your own people. Given the 325,000 killed in Vietnam and lets not forget the millions from WWII. I do not condone the civilian deaths, and I think we still have a long way to go, but war does have casualties, and I think there were significant improvements so far. Randall Sanborn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. 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