Rico, And I humbly submit that there's more truth in F 9/11 than anything Moore's done before. As he stated in a public letter this week, the facts were vetted endlessly. The opinions and questions are his. And as he puts it 'rightfully so.'
Todd Swearingen ----- Original Message ----- From: "rico suavae" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 > I humbly submit that you miss the point of the second half of my statment.To reitrate.He used to be good,he ain't good anymore.He forgot that truth is what made him good not inuendo. > > Appal Energy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Chill dude..., > > You had your chance to complain about that move years ago. Can't you read a > letterhead or banner? > > You want to live in the past great. But the topic is F 9/11 not picking the > Colorado state flower. > > Tired of distraction and deception in Philly..... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rico suavae" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 9:19 PM > Subject: RE: [biofuel] Re: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 > > > > I would have to agree with you.I've lived in several states both with > strict and lax firearm purchase laws.Even in the most lax > states[Florida,Lousiana,Texas]they observed all the paperwork and waiting > periods. > > What I did note was there was an inverse raito between the states that > severly restrict gun ownership[Michigan,Illnois]and crime.While this is only > my personal experince there has been data published that bears this out. > > Mr.Moore is in business.In order to sell your product,it must be fresh and > exciting.He does not sell sex.What he sells he sells well.However not as > well as he used to,in my opnion.Before,he had truthto sell,now he only has > inuendo. > > > Rico > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I'm also from Michigan, doesn't mean I blindly accept the opinion of > everyone who speaks here. The facts are true. Michael Moore is meticulous in > making sure he doesn't say anything that is explicitly false. Instead, he > uses cheap camera tricks and clever sequences to give a very clear picture > of what he is trying to say without ever actually implicating himself. > > Just a few examples from Bowling from Columbine because its been > thoroughly analyzed numerous times. > > Firstly, the gun from the bank. > > > > http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/bowlingforcolumbine/scenes/bank.htm > > > > He edits the seen to make it appear like he walked in wrote his name down > and got a gun. This is supposed to show how easy it is to get a gun. This is > a horrible example because the same process is used here as any gun shop > would use. He neglects to show the fact that the clerk then took his ID and > ran it through I believe its an FBI? database. But it certainly looks like > America is handing out guns to anyone. If I remember correctly from read the > process actually took closer to an hour and a half. Weak example yes, but > none-the-less if shown honestly it would do nothing to promote Moore's > arguement that any old fool can get a gun in the way he described. The > requirements for getting that gun from the bank were just as stringent as > getting it from any other registered gun shop. If he wants to analyze that, > then fine, I support it. Maybe it is too easy to get a gun, I'm not here to > offer an opinion on it, but the bank scene is only an example of the same > process that would happen in > > any other legal weapon transaction. > > I think the NRA bashes are more incriminating of Moore's deceptive style. > He spends quite a while dehumanizing the NRA and especially Mr. Heston. I > had a very good friend see this movie and tell me Heston and the NRA were a > bunch of jerks for jumping up to hold rallies right after the killings in > Flint and Columbine. I must say, the 'evidence' in the movie was compelling. > But some other people slowed down the feeds and picked through the internet. > The 'rally' in Flint wasn't actually a Rally, Heston showed up to support > Bush on his campaign, and it was 7 months after the incident. The movie > shows a headline that says, "48 hours after Kayla Rolland is pronounced > dead" either right before or right after the Heston clip. It insinuates the > meeting was 48 hours after, and there is no way its not intentional. But the > headline continues on to say something about Clinton making a statement > about the incident and is completely unrelated to the NRA. > > http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/bowlingforcolumbine/scenes/hestonrally2.htm > > He also uses the NRA meeting in Colorado right after the Columbine > shootings as further ammo against the NRA. The video clips he shows of > Heston are actually from another rally, and he fails to mention that the NRA > cancelled most all of its other activities aside from the vote that by law > is mandatory. I believe its a non-profit law to vote officials or something > else similar. Irregardless the NRA had to have its meeting, which it did, > but the NRA did nothing like what Moore shows. Frankly, I don't know what > the whole NRA bash accomplished for his argument, but his entire basis > against the NRA is made up. It looks more like he has a vendetta against the > NRA and wants to publish it. > > So, quite frankly, I don't trust the guy, or most of what he says. He has > been explicitly decpetive in BFC. He has something compelling with the Iraq > war, but just like most of the media, its entirely one-sided. And his theory > on the Saudi connection and the plot with the Bushes to intentionally start > a war is pretty weak. Its more an assertion using almost nothing. I think > his smoking gun is a connection in the Carlyle group, which is a large > investing firm. I don't know about you guys, but I don't know the other > stockholders of the companies I invest in, much less socialize and plot to > take over the world with them. I'm really anxious to see what little camera > tricks he threw into this one when it comes out on DVD. > > Randall Sanborn > > > > > > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > Look pal, speaking as one of Mike's Michigan homeboys, you and I are > > gonna throw down. When Mike says, "The facts are true, the opinions are > > mine," he means it. If you have a mental disorder that distorts your > > analytical skills to the point where you can't tell fact from opinion, > > then you really should only read Mike's books or watch his films under > > the supervision of a trained mental health specialist. 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