No need for an exposition on the desirability of open data here, and not
sure how you thought I had an issue with any of your examples.
This is specific to eircode in tags, and there are limits to what we
tag. We don't do occupier=langer_dan or house_alarm=no on building
outlines even if we know that information, because it's a tag too far.
So there's a spectrum from definitely tag, to definitely not tag, and
there's a legitimate argument to be had on where eircode lies along that
spectrum.
If a friend gives me his eircode to send him a letter, does that give me
the right to tag his house with the code?
To me at least, this is not exactly the same argument as publicly
visible data, or information in the public domain, or GPS traces I've
taken myself.
Eircode and the occupier will be the only sources of the data.
Rory McCann wrote on 14/11/14 14:43:
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Ten years ago, someone could have asked "Is having a free map of the
world desirable?" Ten years ago, someone could have asked if it was
legal, don't OSi have copyright on all maps? Ten years ago someone
could have asked if there was privacy concerns with mapping your
neighbour's address. Ten years ago, someone could have asked if it
would have been possible to do it, considering how big the world is.
Ten years ago, someone could have pointed out how roads and POIs have
no proximity information, knowing the roads in one side of the town
doesn't tell you what the roads on the other side of the town are called.
And now we have OpenStreetMap.
Feel free to make a map with OpenStreetMap data showing openpostcode
co-ords, if you'd like.
Rory
On 14/11/14 15:26, Langer Dan wrote:
Rory McCann wrote on 14/11/14 10:21:
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Hi,
Yes the Eircode system has flaws and will be closed. But that's
the system we have to deal with. The UK Postcode system was
closed for years as well. Alas "postcode" in Ireland will mean
"Eircode". When Eircode is launched, we can start adding it to
OSM in the addr:postcode tags. Maybe we'll do some sort of "free
the postcode" for eircode.
Given the closed design of Eircode, there's likely to be a couple
of reasons why this could be problematic: - Copyright - Privacy
Leaving it to others to determine if we could do a
free-the-postcode style loading of personal postcodes into OSM, but
looking at http://www.eircode.ie/legal would suggest it's not a
simple decision, and looks specifically designed to discourage
*any* unlicensed (and paid for) use.
Even if copyright is not an issue, and we can do a
free-the-postcode, the eircode design raises questions about
whether it's a good idea, especially if companies, websites and
shops start asking for eircodes.
Is compiling a list of unique household identifiers and making it
available under more liberal terms desirable? If I know my
neighbour's eircode, is putting it into OSM OK, or should I ask
their permission?
Also, partial coverage is not nearly so useful as other postcodes
since eircodes are secret random codes with no proximity
information.
One reason to support openpostcode in OSM would be to have a simple
open code-to-XY that works for Ireland, since our official postcode
system will not be providing it, but I'd guess that's more map UI
issue, to display the code alongside lat/lon for Ireland.
ld
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