Hello Marck,
On Thursday, October 12, 2000 at 00:13:00 GMT +0100 (which was 4:13 PM
where I live) witnesses say Marck D. Pearlstone typed:
> Group? No se quinosabe. I just have two accounts defined. Simple and
> straight forward. Added through "New account" on the main menu.
Ok, that means they are both Administrator accounts. If you go into
Network and Administration, you can change the accounts to User and
apply permissions.
> The
> first is called "Marck". It's my real account and I do everything from
> it.
That sounds like my Januk account. I have a dummy account to hold all
mailing list mail. It has no POP/SMTP settings, it depends purely on
other accounts' filters to receive mail. It also uses
%Account="Januk" macros to be able to send mail through the other
accounts. This is just to give background on the following:
I just did the test in full gory detail.
1. I made my main account and my dummy account both user level accounts.
2. When I fire up TB, I get a login box asking for my username.
3. So I enter "Januk" and I get my main account and nothing else.
This is as it should be.
4. Now I received some mailing list mail, and it got filtered out
of my main account. The little bat is flapping it's little heart
out, but there is no new mail in this account.
5. I shut down TB and relaunch it. This time I enter my mailing list
account name and I see only the mailing list account. Good. The
missing mail is sitting in the appropriate folder. Great. That
answers my original question.
Despite the user "Januk" not being able to see "Mailing Lists",
"Januk" can still filter mail to "Mailing Lists." Now the test
continues:
6. I tried to create a filter from "Mailing Lists" to "Januk" while
logged in as only a user (not Administrator). I can only create
filters to the current account. Fine.
So a user has no way of knowing from within TB how many other accounts
exist. However, the user can know that other accounts exist since the
little animation will flap when *any* account has new mail, even if
you can't see that account. So let's check some other details:
7. I checked my quick templates. I can not access QT's from other
accounts despite the "Share with other accounts" option. This
seems like a bug.
8. I opened a new message. My template comes up ok. This is strange,
that template is a QT defined in another account. But, typing in a
QT Handle from another account + <ctrl><space> results in "QT
handle not found" errors.
This certainly seems like a bug. I gave permission to all accounts to
use those QT's when I defined them. Why shouldn't I be able to
manually access them in any way?
Almost done with the testing here, let's try checking mail for all
accounts. Remember I'm in the "Mailing List" account with no POP/SMTP
settings. So I expect either an error or all other accounts to be
checked.
9. A quick <ALT><F2> nothing happens. Ok, I expected that.
10. Let's verify by clicking on the little down arrow on the check
mail icon off the toolbar. Wait a second, all the accounts are
listed here. I click on my main account, mail checks ok and mail
gets filtered into the "Mailing List" account.
This doesn't make sense. TB tries hard to hide the other accounts
from me other places (eg. Filters, QT), but not in the check mail
list? Is this consistent behaviour? Also I can change accounts in
the message editor window, meaning I can see all accounts here too.
Isn't that a risk considering the reasons for creating User level
accounts and groups? For my purpose, this might be a good thing, but
it seems counter intuitive to me. Why hide the QT's for the other
accounts? Why not allow *viewing* or *using* the QT's for other
accounts? I can understand not allowing *editing* of QT's from other
accounts.
On to our final test. As I mentioned the "Mailing Lists" account has
no POP/SMTP settings, so will I be able to send this message? My
default template has an Account change macro, and the editor allows me
to change accounts. I've seen that I can check mail for the other
accounts from anywhere, so I suspect yes.
11. I hit send. You'll have to assume yes if you're reading this. :)
JA>> If so, you log into your main account and everything is filtered
JA>> no problem?
> Yes.
I think we are talking about different things here. I'm talking about
an actual login box. It doesn't sound like you have any User accounts
set up, only administrator accounts. If you have no User accounts,
you'll get no login box.
As I detailed above, filtering from one account to another is ok in
any mode. You just need to set it up while you're logged in as an
administrator (default).
I hope this helps clear some things up. Although it does raise the
issue, how are Server/Client setups handled with respect to the above
tests when done from the Server computer? From the Client computers?
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Thanks for writing,
Januk Aggarwal
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under Windows 98 4.10 Build 2222 A
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