Sunday, February 2, 2003, 9:18:44 AM, Marck wrote: MDP>>> Aha! You are talking about S/MIME! That's completely different > In which case you are talking about PGP/MIME. Either way, you're not > talking about MIME, which TB handles perfectly
Umm, in all honesty, are you trying to split hairs or just obfuscate the intentions of the original poster? MIME is MIME. I don't think the focus should be on TB's ability to handle certain MIME types, but rather its presentation of disposition. And taste is all just a matter of taste to some degree. Just like someone have the opinion that TB!'s default editor is weak and awkward. :) > ... and TB handles MIME digests very well indeed. Open any one of > the attached messages and TB opens a virtual folder containing *all* > of them. How is that handling "very well?" Maybe for you. I believe one of the points made in the beginning was that TB treated all MIME parts as attachments, even when they were not. The messages in a MIME digest aren't attachments. While TB displays the message in a unique and fairly useful way, it absolutely restricts you to its methodology. It does not _also_ display the message as an inline multi-part the way some other readers do. It does not have any idea of what a multipart/digest is or at least it does't present that to the user with special options. Like the bursting you mentioned - which if used as a filter should be done with a "burst" feature and not some convoluted set of exports and import filters (which do not seem to work for tbudl nor tbbeta). There should also be a context menu item for burst displayed only on digests. Again, the above is surely all a matter of opinion. So I say that TB accepts MIME messages, however its treatment of such messages does not conform to the wishes of all its users and does not follow certain conventions used by other programs. In the preview pane I'd like to see the whole digest for instance, with each message separated by a visual marker of some sort. Look at Agent to see how this is handled very cleanly - it also does the bursting. That gives people "choice" and is one of the things that might prevent someone from claiming TB doesn't support MIME. > Until you open the digest, it is nothing but a carrier for > the encapsulated messages. IMO TB behaves correctly here. Well, any message is just a carrier for your encapsulated text, isn't it? Yet your text appears in the preview pane, right? Your comment makes it sound like the digest parts are somehow encoded and not plain text. TB could just as easily show all the messages within the preview pane one after the other (along with showing them on the left which I like as well - even though manipulation of those messages is completely non-standard (try dragging one into another folder). As I have been finding around both this list and TBBETA lately, so much comes down to semantics. It's nice to educate someone on the use of the program and point out ways to get around problems. but, if the program genuinely has a weakness, let's point it out for what it is and not try to hide these facts. There's plenty of room for improvement with TB. If there wasn't then there would be no need for newer versions (in any stream, including 2.0+) As it is, I'm just going about my business using TB and reporting any bugs and oddities I find. I'm not holding my breath for interface or other fixes, but I appreciate them when they come. Everything's a compromise in the end with most software. It's a shame to have such an all-around great program marred by so many small issues. This i one program "so close" to being all the way there. Bruno -- Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 ________________________________________________ Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
