I have my MA in Human Resources and I used to teach Labor Relations for a couple of colleges locally. This is a situation where the supervisor is really between a rock and a hard place. It really depends on the backing of the Superintendent and how well he/she knows the contract. I don't see where the union has much to stand on when it comes to the director fixing equipment, but stranger things have been written. We had the same kind of problem in the Air Force. The department heads and school commander were military, but some of the instructors and instructor supervisors were union civilian employees. There were a lot of fur balls flying at times. The one thing good was that Regan had canned the controllers a few years before and the civilians were still walking softly for the most part.
I could have fun in both parts of the job, I'm just not sure there's enough Maalox to cover the moments that wouldn't be fun. From: tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org [mailto:tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org] On Behalf Of Kenny, David Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 1:18 PM To: 'Tech-Geeks Mailing List' Subject: Re: [tech-geeks] Job Opening - Dir of Tech And, on the flip side, you get paid dirt in an iron-clad union-governed organization if your job title doesn't have union representation. There've been a number of people grumbling within earshot of me that custodians (who have unions) make more than IT technicians. ;) That said, I'm non-union, and an at-will employee, so I have no official comment of my own. ;) David From: tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org [mailto:tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org] On Behalf Of Scott Oyer Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 11:06 AM To: Tech-Geeks Mailing List Subject: Re: [tech-geeks] Job Opening - Dir of Tech That is the trouble with both administration these days and the unions. Let's nit pick on who can do the work instead of getting the work done! In this case you aren't taken "bread" off anyones table since all are supposed to be on the same team... IMHO Scott O On Oct 21, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Chris Franzen wrote: Yeah that would be my problem as well. I would be hands on and upset the union. good luck to anyone who wishes to truck down this path. Chris Franzen Technology Coordinator Nokomis School District 511 Oberle St. Nokomis, IL 62075 On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:47 AM, T Suter <suterscomput...@gmail.com> wrote: I should clarify......I wasn't mad because I HAD to do the work. It was because I had several grievances filed against me because I WANTED to do the work...and did. On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:46 AM, T Suter <suterscomput...@gmail.com> wrote: Delawder, I remember back in a former life....being a supervisor in a factory. All my floor personnel was union....and I wasn't of course. While I could go on and on about what I know of that experience, I'll just say that I was less than happy several times when I would go to do some labor because a person was sick. The politics of that whole situation superimposed onto the politics already manifested for a Director who DOESN'T have to deal with union subordinates, screams Rolaids. Does the benefit package have some sort of comprehensive care/life insurance for stress related illnesses, mental or physical, that is sure to take the Director down? I guess if that budget is all the district can do for their technology, the new courageous soul taking on that load of a position should be allowed to enlist the most diligent and creative grant writer that would find some tech funds for that budget to upgrade that heaping pile of a collision domain. While I believe that throwing money at something doesn't necessarily always fix it....$300,000 a year for a tech budget of a school that size with the problems it has.............- WOW! Isn't that like an early/mid 90's budget? On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Mike Oliveri <mike.oliv...@student.rb60.com> wrote: I'm wondering if they're talking to Cat. State Farm gives out old equipment in Bloomington, so I'm wondering if Cat does the same. They've got their big offices downtown and facilities all over the area. Mike On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:03 AM, Richard Kasson wrote: > Let me get this straight. The techs are all union so the tech director > can't touch the equipment? That's the scariest part. Does that budget > figure include the salaries or are salaries separate. If salaries are > separate, you can get creative and make it work. I manage on $25,000 a year > or less depending on what my REAP grant is and whether Congress continues to > fund it. You just have to find and use available resources that provide > things for free. There is absolutely no reason that those techs shouldn't > be visiting Rock Island arsenal on a regular basis to take advantage of what > the Army is rotating out of service. There's some pretty nice two and > three-year-old equipment available. All it takes is someone to fill out the > paperwork and watch the website. > > That login thing is a bit worrisome. I had 9 year old Celeron 600s with 64 > MB RAM that didn't take 20 minutes to login, even when we were a Novell > Network. Something definitely ain't correct there. > > It does sound like a challenge and it would be a blast to give it a shot - > if I lived closer. > > -----Original Message----- > From: tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org > [mailto:tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org] On Behalf Of Mike Oliveri > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 7:08 PM > To: Tech-Geeks Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tech-geeks] Job Opening - Dir of Tech > > That's what I'm thinking. > > Mike > > > On Oct 20, 2010, at 6:28 PM, Heath Henderson wrote: > >> Yes, failure, but from the creative standpoint, it sure would be fun to > try. From the technical side (outside of the tech plan etc) it sure would be > challenging to try and get that system fixed back up right. Sounds like the > infrastructure is there though. >> >> -Heath Henderson >> >> On Oct 20, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Jason Livezey <jlive...@nlsd122.org> wrote: >> >>> It is going to be really hard for a Director if he or she can't touch > anything. I have to manage things on a daily basis just so I can make an > educated decision about what I need and who is going to manage it. > Obviously something is seriously wrong with their setup if they have login > times of 20+ minutes. That basically means those machines are useless... >>> >>> You would have to go backwards before you could go forward. With that > current budget you could only spend about $7500K a building if you divided > equally. 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